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> We no longer sell it (the author’s decision to just use Amazon, a male-led business, alas.) This is where I stopped reading. Pity author has to include such

> We no longer sell it (the author’s decision to just use Amazon, a male-led business, alas.) This is where I stopped reading. Pity author has to include such divisive comments. Given this is addressed to fathers of daughters of which I am one I don't see why it was necessary to include such remarks.

robbrown451 7y ago
Why is that divisive? All she's saying is that she recommends trying to do business with and otherwise promote powerful women, if you can. It's not always possible. But being aware of it is a positive. I have a hard time seeing how you can get so offended by such things. (I am a single dad of a daughter, so I start thinking that way myself)
- mmsimanga 7y ago
  Nothing wrong with promoting women owned businesses. I really do not see the need for that line given the title of the post. A post directed at men. Its a slippery slope, should I also tell my daughter not to drive cars made by companies owned by men, not fly in planes made by men. Definitely not the advice I will be giving my daughter. I will tell her she can be whatever she wants to be as long as she works hard at it.
  - robbrown451 7y ago
    She didn't say that. She said that she recommends that parents of daughters do their best to promote businesses run by women, so that their daughters are more likely to be exposed to women as role models. Not sure where you are getting that she was suggesting telling the daughters themselves do that. Her approach is to point a daughter into growing into a powerful woman herself. Very different thing.
  - repolfx 7y ago
    Sure there is, there's a lot wrong with it. Would you be so sanguine about promoting businesses because they are not women owned? Why can't you see that it's just discrimination against men? Because you believe it's fine to discriminate against men, which is offensive and wrong.
- pacala 7y ago
  Whenever you catch yourself engaging in tribal identity-based discourse, apply the reciprocity litmus test: swap identities and read the resulting statements: "We no longer sell it (the author’s decision to just use Amazon, a female-led business, alas.)" "All he's saying is that he recommends trying to do business with and otherwise promote powerful man, if you can. It's not always possible. But being aware of it is a positive." If it comes across as crass, the initial statements are also likely to come across as crass, for a different population segment.
  - robbrown451 7y ago
    Sorry, that isn't a reasonable litmus test. I am a white, English-as-a-first-language Anglo-Saxon male. Have been my whole life. And it's been pretty damn nice. If someone makes critical stereotypes about white Anglo-Saxon males, I don't tend to get offended. And yet I am aware that making critical stereotypes about any of the less privileged classes (women, people of color, etc) is simply not ok, and those on the other side of it have every right to be offended. Likewise, I don't get bent out of shape that I'm not allowed to attend a "women's programmers meetup," nor that I can't start a "men's programmers meetup" group without coming off as a sexist pig. If you don't understand why this is true, I don't know what to say. This is the same thing. I don't think Jeff Bezos is going to get too hurt that he's being discriminated against for being a man. He'll be ok.

robbrown451 7y ago

Why is that divisive? All she's saying is that she recommends trying to do business with and otherwise promote powerful women, if you can. It's not always possible. But being aware of it is a positive. I have a hard time seeing how you can get so offended by such things. (I am a single dad of a daughter, so I start thinking that way myself)

mmsimanga 7y ago
Nothing wrong with promoting women owned businesses. I really do not see the need for that line given the title of the post. A post directed at men. Its a slippery slope, should I also tell my daughter not to drive cars made by companies owned by men, not fly in planes made by men. Definitely not the advice I will be giving my daughter. I will tell her she can be whatever she wants to be as long as she works hard at it.
- robbrown451 7y ago
  She didn't say that. She said that she recommends that parents of daughters do their best to promote businesses run by women, so that their daughters are more likely to be exposed to women as role models. Not sure where you are getting that she was suggesting telling the daughters themselves do that. Her approach is to point a daughter into growing into a powerful woman herself. Very different thing.
- repolfx 7y ago
  Sure there is, there's a lot wrong with it. Would you be so sanguine about promoting businesses because they are not women owned? Why can't you see that it's just discrimination against men? Because you believe it's fine to discriminate against men, which is offensive and wrong.
pacala 7y ago
Whenever you catch yourself engaging in tribal identity-based discourse, apply the reciprocity litmus test: swap identities and read the resulting statements: "We no longer sell it (the author’s decision to just use Amazon, a female-led business, alas.)" "All he's saying is that he recommends trying to do business with and otherwise promote powerful man, if you can. It's not always possible. But being aware of it is a positive." If it comes across as crass, the initial statements are also likely to come across as crass, for a different population segment.
- robbrown451 7y ago
  Sorry, that isn't a reasonable litmus test. I am a white, English-as-a-first-language Anglo-Saxon male. Have been my whole life. And it's been pretty damn nice. If someone makes critical stereotypes about white Anglo-Saxon males, I don't tend to get offended. And yet I am aware that making critical stereotypes about any of the less privileged classes (women, people of color, etc) is simply not ok, and those on the other side of it have every right to be offended. Likewise, I don't get bent out of shape that I'm not allowed to attend a "women's programmers meetup," nor that I can't start a "men's programmers meetup" group without coming off as a sexist pig. If you don't understand why this is true, I don't know what to say. This is the same thing. I don't think Jeff Bezos is going to get too hurt that he's being discriminated against for being a man. He'll be ok.