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I think that's being very unfair. Linux is not the same "incoherent mess" it was 10-20 years ago. There are some OEM's that ship with linux pre-installed, some

I think that's being very unfair. Linux is not the same "incoherent mess" it was 10-20 years ago. There are some OEM's that ship with linux pre-installed, some of them are: - Dell - System76 - Purism > Literally couldn't even beat Windows by giving the latter away. Beat in what sense? That's merely your opinion and doesn't necessarily reflect reality. Especially when you don't support it with any facts. Fact is that the linux story and experience has improved dramatically over the past 10 years. That's why there are now OEM's that provide linux as an alternative to Windows, and there are some OEM's that target linux exclusively. My daily driver is a Dell Latitude E7450 and everything worked out of the box with Manjaro linux. Driver/hardware support in linux these days is quite good.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
> Fact is that the linux story and experience has improved dramatically over the past 10 years. Yes, and it still sucks in a lot of the same ways it always has, and a few new ones (bloat, more incomprehensibly tangled base system than ever before...). Just yesterday I watched PCManFM, when told to copy a directory from an SMB share, copy the folder but none of its contents. This kind of basic functionality being completely overlooked is common, because there are about 100 implementations of anything and about 250 different distros combining those things in differently broken ways. Oh, I hear you say, you shouldn't use those obscure distros, but a more polished one like Ubuntu. Only it was Ubuntu 19.04 with the latest updates. This is without even getting into absolutely retarded design decisions like .desktop files.
- computerex 7y ago
  I think it'd be cool if you provided any verifiable evidence/support at all to validate and support your silly assertions. I pointed out 3 well known OEM's that ship hardware with linux pre-installed, 2 of them target linux exclusively. This wouldn't be the case if there wasn't a market for it and if the experience was as bad as you make it out to be. You provided no rebuttal at all for this point and merely glazed over it. Ubuntu doesn't even come with PCManFM, it comes with nautilus as the file manager. Are you quite sure you used Ubuntu? Here's a video showing you how to mount an SMB share, it is quiet straightforward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI No operating system is fool proof. For vast number of users that don't have specific OS specific software requirements, Linux is a very viable alternative. Here's someone's mom trying out and using linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgGbZfR6Vec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgGbZfR6Vec I got many beginners to swap over to linux and they have been loving it. My mom and my grandmother both use linux.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
    Technically it was Lubuntu, but gvfs is still the backing component that handles SMB for PCManFM just as it does for Nautilus. > Here's a video showing you how to mount an SMB share, it is quiet straightforward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI This is so exactly the problem with the Linux Desktop evangelists. Someone says they have a problem with Linux, a bad experience, and your childish ego can't handle the concept of your fetishized OS not being perfect so you immediately assume the person talking is an idiot. > No operating system is fool proof. For vast number of users that don't have specific OS specific software requirements, Linux is a very viable alternative. Linux Desktop evangelists have been saying this for 20 motherfucking years and yet Linux still has pitiful desktop market share. What will it take for this community to wake up and realize that maybe people aren't retarded and have very legitimate reasons for not choosing your OS? Even people who like the idea of an Open Source Desktop OS? > Here's someone's mom trying out and using linux Could you try being less intentionally insulting maybe? This is such typical Linux Desktop evangelist garbage. It's an attempt at shame, but it backfires because what you're really saying is that Linux makes a great web kiosk and as long as you don't want to do anything interesting with it it will work fine. Ultimately you don't have to listen to me. Look around you, your waifu Desktop OS is not being adopted by the masses, or even the non-masses. You've been telling the same comfort story to yourselves for 20 years about big bad Microsoft's exclusivity deals and Office lock in and all sorts of other nonsense while completely ignoring what people who might actually care what OS they use have been screaming at you about all the ways you've been doing it wrong. This is why Linux will never be the majority Desktop OS of choice: because the community is full of people like you!

AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago

> Fact is that the linux story and experience has improved dramatically over the past 10 years. Yes, and it still sucks in a lot of the same ways it always has, and a few new ones (bloat, more incomprehensibly tangled base system than ever before...). Just yesterday I watched PCManFM, when told to copy a directory from an SMB share, copy the folder but none of its contents. This kind of basic functionality being completely overlooked is common, because there are about 100 implementations of anything and about 250 different distros combining those things in differently broken ways. Oh, I hear you say, you shouldn't use those obscure distros, but a more polished one like Ubuntu. Only it was Ubuntu 19.04 with the latest updates. This is without even getting into absolutely retarded design decisions like .desktop files.

computerex 7y ago
I think it'd be cool if you provided any verifiable evidence/support at all to validate and support your silly assertions. I pointed out 3 well known OEM's that ship hardware with linux pre-installed, 2 of them target linux exclusively. This wouldn't be the case if there wasn't a market for it and if the experience was as bad as you make it out to be. You provided no rebuttal at all for this point and merely glazed over it. Ubuntu doesn't even come with PCManFM, it comes with nautilus as the file manager. Are you quite sure you used Ubuntu? Here's a video showing you how to mount an SMB share, it is quiet straightforward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI No operating system is fool proof. For vast number of users that don't have specific OS specific software requirements, Linux is a very viable alternative. Here's someone's mom trying out and using linux: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgGbZfR6Vec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgGbZfR6Vec I got many beginners to swap over to linux and they have been loving it. My mom and my grandmother both use linux.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
  Technically it was Lubuntu, but gvfs is still the backing component that handles SMB for PCManFM just as it does for Nautilus. > Here's a video showing you how to mount an SMB share, it is quiet straightforward: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPnVzyMBlAI This is so exactly the problem with the Linux Desktop evangelists. Someone says they have a problem with Linux, a bad experience, and your childish ego can't handle the concept of your fetishized OS not being perfect so you immediately assume the person talking is an idiot. > No operating system is fool proof. For vast number of users that don't have specific OS specific software requirements, Linux is a very viable alternative. Linux Desktop evangelists have been saying this for 20 motherfucking years and yet Linux still has pitiful desktop market share. What will it take for this community to wake up and realize that maybe people aren't retarded and have very legitimate reasons for not choosing your OS? Even people who like the idea of an Open Source Desktop OS? > Here's someone's mom trying out and using linux Could you try being less intentionally insulting maybe? This is such typical Linux Desktop evangelist garbage. It's an attempt at shame, but it backfires because what you're really saying is that Linux makes a great web kiosk and as long as you don't want to do anything interesting with it it will work fine. Ultimately you don't have to listen to me. Look around you, your waifu Desktop OS is not being adopted by the masses, or even the non-masses. You've been telling the same comfort story to yourselves for 20 years about big bad Microsoft's exclusivity deals and Office lock in and all sorts of other nonsense while completely ignoring what people who might actually care what OS they use have been screaming at you about all the ways you've been doing it wrong. This is why Linux will never be the majority Desktop OS of choice: because the community is full of people like you!