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Dumbest headline ever. I sincerely wish people would stop voting this clickbait rag Mercury News in Hacker News. It says Uber received 299 approvals for the yea

by dmode 7y ago

Dumbest headline ever. I sincerely wish people would stop voting this clickbait rag Mercury News in Hacker News. It says Uber received 299 approvals for the year. First, this is a miniscule number. Second, H1b approval is rolling. So I assume they would have gotten these approvals throughout the year. But the article, with its ignorance goes on to claim that it is unclear when they will start. That makes no sense. Finally, they don’t make any mention of comp.Pretty sure these are at least >$200k per position

pandaman 7y ago
I got you, friend. The salaries for those are public and readily available to you here: https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Uber+Technologies+Inc&job=&city=&year=2019 https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Uber+Technologies+Inc&... About a dozen are really >$200k.
- dmode 7y ago
  These are base salaries. Now filter your list by software engineer and San Francisco. Median base salary is close $150k. Now add yearly bonus and Uber's RSUs and see how many have total comp >200k. Cheap labor narrative violated. Edit: I also filtered your list by "Senior Software Engineer" in SF and the results are mind blowing with cheap H1 pulling 150-200k base salaries. I will not be surprised if some of these are TC $400k, as FAANG typically pays as much in base salaries Sincerely hoping I was able to help you as a "friend" giving you better information
  - pandaman 7y ago
    So which letter in FAANG stands for Uber? From what I understand FAANG manages to give a lot of compensation through RSU because their stock is ridiculously expensive. Is the same true for Uber? Any links to support your point? Also, from what I understand, the ongoing layoffs are to cut costs, why would they offer additional compensation to the new hires? I am sure that if you filter for salaries >200K then, indeed, all the results will be >200K. However, they have positions like this one https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&job=BACKEND+ENGINEER&city=&year=2019 https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&... which does not look anywhere close to 200K and is an engineer in SF. Is not 125K what a fresh grad is getting there? Or a whole bunch of 109K SW engineers (https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&job=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+ENGINEER&city=PALO+ALTO&year=2019 https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&... ) in Palo Alto, is not it in the so-called Silicon Valley where it's below an entry-level SW engineer job salary? If they are looking for fresh grads then why do they need an H1B for that? Do look at the data, do not try to re-interpret it to match your imaginary reality.
    - mritun 7y ago
      H1B data only lists base salary. Bonus, RSUs and other perquisites are never included unless part of base. You can safely multiply by 2 the salary number there and still you are not likely to exceed the post-tax salary listed in that database.
      - pandaman 7y ago
        Why by 2, why not by 10? What is the basis of your claim? You make an evidence-free claim against a solid number. Here is another, less solid number which does not look good for your claim's validity: glassdoor's average base salary for an Uber's software engineer in San Jose area is $148750 and average additional pay (bonuses, RSUs etc) is 12011. From the same data, the minimum base is 118K. Now, I don't think it's very reliable, but I would think it's extremely improbable that it both inflated the base salary and greatly underestimated additional pay (by the factor of 10 vs your claim). From this I can safely conclude that 109K Uber's H1Bs in Palo Alto make much less than the average there, even without knowing how much they get in additional pay (if anything at all).
    - dmode 7y ago
      Are you suggesting a $125k base salary (which is most likely for a fresh grad), with addition of bonus, and equal RSUs, which is very likely a TC of $180k, cheap labor ?
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djsumdog 7y ago
> Uber received 299 approvals for the year. First, this is a miniscule number. That is NOT a small number. They obviously won't be able to fill all of them, but 300 people is larger than the entire IT departments of some relatively large tech companies I've worked for. I realize Uber is global and there is a lot of infrastructure there, but I still don't see how this is a small number at all.
- belltaco 7y ago
  It also counts extensions. Some of those could be someone who got their first visa in 2009 when Uber started and is still going through extensions because of the country based limits on green cards that disadvantage people born in large countries.
- dilyevsky 7y ago
  https://lmgtfy.com/?q=uber+number+of+employees&s=g https://lmgtfy.com/?q=uber+number+of+employees&s=g
masonic 7y ago
this is a miniscule number You could argue that it's a smallish number for a growing company, but it's a ridiculously large number for a company that is shedding hundreds of employees in the same job category.

by dmode 7y ago

pandaman 7y ago

I got you, friend. The salaries for those are public and readily available to you here: https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Uber+Technologies+Inc&job=&city=&year=2019 https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=Uber+Technologies+Inc&... About a dozen are really >$200k.

dmode 7y ago
These are base salaries. Now filter your list by software engineer and San Francisco. Median base salary is close $150k. Now add yearly bonus and Uber's RSUs and see how many have total comp >200k. Cheap labor narrative violated. Edit: I also filtered your list by "Senior Software Engineer" in SF and the results are mind blowing with cheap H1 pulling 150-200k base salaries. I will not be surprised if some of these are TC $400k, as FAANG typically pays as much in base salaries Sincerely hoping I was able to help you as a "friend" giving you better information
- pandaman 7y ago
  So which letter in FAANG stands for Uber? From what I understand FAANG manages to give a lot of compensation through RSU because their stock is ridiculously expensive. Is the same true for Uber? Any links to support your point? Also, from what I understand, the ongoing layoffs are to cut costs, why would they offer additional compensation to the new hires? I am sure that if you filter for salaries >200K then, indeed, all the results will be >200K. However, they have positions like this one https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&job=BACKEND+ENGINEER&city=&year=2019 https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&... which does not look anywhere close to 200K and is an engineer in SF. Is not 125K what a fresh grad is getting there? Or a whole bunch of 109K SW engineers (https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&job=SENIOR+SOFTWARE+ENGINEER&city=PALO+ALTO&year=2019 https://www.h1bdata.info/index.php?em=UBER+TECHNOLOGIES+INC&... ) in Palo Alto, is not it in the so-called Silicon Valley where it's below an entry-level SW engineer job salary? If they are looking for fresh grads then why do they need an H1B for that? Do look at the data, do not try to re-interpret it to match your imaginary reality.
  - mritun 7y ago
    H1B data only lists base salary. Bonus, RSUs and other perquisites are never included unless part of base. You can safely multiply by 2 the salary number there and still you are not likely to exceed the post-tax salary listed in that database.
    - pandaman 7y ago
      Why by 2, why not by 10? What is the basis of your claim? You make an evidence-free claim against a solid number. Here is another, less solid number which does not look good for your claim's validity: glassdoor's average base salary for an Uber's software engineer in San Jose area is $148750 and average additional pay (bonuses, RSUs etc) is 12011. From the same data, the minimum base is 118K. Now, I don't think it's very reliable, but I would think it's extremely improbable that it both inflated the base salary and greatly underestimated additional pay (by the factor of 10 vs your claim). From this I can safely conclude that 109K Uber's H1Bs in Palo Alto make much less than the average there, even without knowing how much they get in additional pay (if anything at all).
  - dmode 7y ago
    Are you suggesting a $125k base salary (which is most likely for a fresh grad), with addition of bonus, and equal RSUs, which is very likely a TC of $180k, cheap labor ?
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djsumdog 7y ago

> Uber received 299 approvals for the year. First, this is a miniscule number. That is NOT a small number. They obviously won't be able to fill all of them, but 300 people is larger than the entire IT departments of some relatively large tech companies I've worked for. I realize Uber is global and there is a lot of infrastructure there, but I still don't see how this is a small number at all.

belltaco 7y ago
It also counts extensions. Some of those could be someone who got their first visa in 2009 when Uber started and is still going through extensions because of the country based limits on green cards that disadvantage people born in large countries.
dilyevsky 7y ago
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=uber+number+of+employees&s=g https://lmgtfy.com/?q=uber+number+of+employees&s=g

masonic 7y ago

this is a miniscule number You could argue that it's a smallish number for a growing company, but it's a ridiculously large number for a company that is shedding hundreds of employees in the same job category.