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What about the Post is related to this, specifically?

tanilama 7y ago
Trump hates Bezos and Post. And Bezos owns Post. And he considers Post political stance against him a directive from Bezos himself. Reinvestigate the JEDI deal is an order from him personally.
- m0zg 7y ago
  >> And he considers Post political stance against him a directive from Bezos himself. Which, to be fair, it very likely is. I just can't see Jeff _not_ exercising any editorial control. Post also doesn't shit on Amazon ever since he bought it, even when it's deserved.
  - jmckib 7y ago
    I really doubt that, because any journalist with integrity would quit and make a stink about it, which would tank the Post's reputation. I would cancel my subscription the same day, and I imagine so would a lot of other people. Also, I've seen plenty of negative stories about Amazon in the past months. I remember them because they always have a disclaimer about Bezos owning the post in the article. Here's one from just yesterday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/24/amazon-profits-pinched-by-speedy-shipping-push/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/24/amazon-.... Can you point to any specific negative story on Amazon that the Post has noticeably not covered?
    - shitgoose 7y ago
      "journalist with integrity" Is there such a thing? Media landscape in the US is a sad view these days.
      - stbtrax 7y ago
        Do you have any specific reasons to cite for this belief? It sounds like a minority of the population find certain facts inconvenient when they conflict with their world view. This doesn't mean that the way news is being reported is changing, unless you prefer "alternate facts".
        shitgoose 7y ago
        I am not from US, so I don't count for minority or majority. Specific reasons... Just watch 5 min of CNN, MSNBC, 30 seconds of Maddow or Don Lemon. Staggering amounts of venom and obsession. This is not news anymore. This is an alternative reality.
        jmckib 7y ago
        I was talking about newspaper journalism though, which seems to be as solid as ever. TV journalism, on the other hand, appears to have become more polarized, though there's still good programs out there. I'd definitely avoid opinion hosts like Maddow, Tucker Carlson, Hannity etc, since they aren't even real journalists.
        shitgoose 7y ago
        Here is the latest from WaPo that changed the headline on its Al-Baghdadi obituary from "Islamic State's terrorist-in-Chief" to "austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State". Religious scholar, my ass. So much for solid journalism.
        belltaco 7y ago
        I like how you left out Fox News which is far worse. E.g The bogus Seth Rich story. There is nothing comparable. Maddow and Don are opinion.
        m0zg 7y ago
        Serious question: how do you know it's "bogus"? There's no evidence either way. For all we know the guy could have been Assange's source, which would explain the raging hard-on the current administration has for extraditing Assange.
  - TomMckenny 7y ago
    The Post runs the same stories seen in essentially all papers in the world. A lot of them implicate the president negatively. But how does precluding the pentagon from it's first choice on these grounds good for the country? In a free and uncorrupt country, you don't allow leaders to intervene in national security issues because they are embarrassed by a paper's coverage. Thus few people are directly saying that amazon should loose the bid because their CEO has a paper the president doesn't like. More common and to be consistent with the notion of a corruption free democracy, the defense for this is the claim that, despite significant pressure, this surprising turn of events would have happened anyway. This is the story being promoted more but it does require a improbably interpretation of events that only supporters could really ever internalize. Especially since Trump's own secretary of defense flatly said the goal was to screw Amazon over the Post.
    - m0zg 7y ago
      There's no such thing as "corruption free" country. The US is very, very far from corruption-free, both in the government and outside it. It's less corrupt than, say, Zimbabwe, but that's not saying much. Basically one has to ask themselves a question: given that the mainstream press is wildly unprofitable (with very few exceptions), might there be a reason why its owners sinks hundreds of millions of dollars into keeping it afloat? I think you know what that reason is, Chomsky has been railing against it for several decades now. They're instruments of propaganda. They manufacture consent. They are literally no better than Pravda nowadays, although instead of being government controlled, they're controlled by five rich men. It's better than government control, but not by much.
      - Discombulator 7y ago
        In my reading, your post implies that everyone is exclusively motivated by short term self interest. I do not think this is true, neither for myself nor for others, and I suspect you do not either for yourself and people you know. The problem in general with negative fatalistic views like this one is that it is non falsifiable: there is not a single positive / selfless action to which you could not ascribe base motives.
75dvtwin 7y ago
10s of millions of people in US think that Wash Post is colluding with coup orchestrators, trying to overthrow constitutionally elected US president. With the above sentiment, giving Wash Post owner a 10 bln dollar Gov contract for work with military -- would have be borderline absurd. It is difficult to separate these types of discussion from political bias of commenters, but you would have to create your own views (if you do not have them already) For pro-president, anti-Coup views on the topic, search for: To find some examples of Wash Post collusion with the coup crowd, just use: - "Washington Post forced to correct" - "Washington Post fabricated" in non-Google non-Yahoo search engines. - "Washington post Covington no apology" - "Washington post sandbagged"
- noelsusman 7y ago
  It's a lot more absurd to make government contract decisions based on newspaper coverage the president doesn't like.
  - 75dvtwin 7y ago
    I agree that Bezos's/ Wash Post disposition relative to the anti-President coup, likely had to be important consideration. As I noted, 10s of millions of tax payers consider Washington Post is not a newspaper, but a propaganda agent actively involved in to the coup attempt against a constitutionally elected President of US. Just chucking it of to 'president does not like a news paper' -- is diluting the tremendous affects these things have on the well-being of the country and its citizens, and, (given US position in the world stage) , on the rest of the world. Additionally, anti-president spying and evidence manufacturing was, in part, orchestrated by leaking to these 'newspapers' and then referencing the generated articles as 'potential evidence' that warrants the investigation. (eg, leaking the dossier [1] and other fabrications through news organizations ) Some think the anti-president coup attempt in US, is good for the country and for the world. Some do not. That probably, defines a big part of person's view, where they stand on awarding contract to AWS vs MS. (Unless there is tremendous technical evidence that MSs offer will not be competent compared to AWS, or that financial burden on tax budget will be enormously different) [1] https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/fisa-memo-scarier-watergate/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/fisa-memo-scarier-wat...
noelsusman 7y ago
The White House basically ordered this contract to not go to Amazon because Trump doesn't like how the Washington Post covers him.
- techntoke 7y ago
  Not sure why you're getting downvoted when this is the top news of the day

Trump hates Bezos and Post. And Bezos owns Post. And he considers Post political stance against him a directive from Bezos himself. Reinvestigate the JEDI deal is an order from him personally.

m0zg 7y ago
>> And he considers Post political stance against him a directive from Bezos himself. Which, to be fair, it very likely is. I just can't see Jeff _not_ exercising any editorial control. Post also doesn't shit on Amazon ever since he bought it, even when it's deserved.
- jmckib 7y ago
  I really doubt that, because any journalist with integrity would quit and make a stink about it, which would tank the Post's reputation. I would cancel my subscription the same day, and I imagine so would a lot of other people. Also, I've seen plenty of negative stories about Amazon in the past months. I remember them because they always have a disclaimer about Bezos owning the post in the article. Here's one from just yesterday: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/24/amazon-profits-pinched-by-speedy-shipping-push/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/24/amazon-.... Can you point to any specific negative story on Amazon that the Post has noticeably not covered?
  - shitgoose 7y ago
    "journalist with integrity" Is there such a thing? Media landscape in the US is a sad view these days.
    - stbtrax 7y ago
      Do you have any specific reasons to cite for this belief? It sounds like a minority of the population find certain facts inconvenient when they conflict with their world view. This doesn't mean that the way news is being reported is changing, unless you prefer "alternate facts".
      - shitgoose 7y ago
        I am not from US, so I don't count for minority or majority. Specific reasons... Just watch 5 min of CNN, MSNBC, 30 seconds of Maddow or Don Lemon. Staggering amounts of venom and obsession. This is not news anymore. This is an alternative reality.
        jmckib 7y ago
        I was talking about newspaper journalism though, which seems to be as solid as ever. TV journalism, on the other hand, appears to have become more polarized, though there's still good programs out there. I'd definitely avoid opinion hosts like Maddow, Tucker Carlson, Hannity etc, since they aren't even real journalists.
        shitgoose 7y ago
        Here is the latest from WaPo that changed the headline on its Al-Baghdadi obituary from "Islamic State's terrorist-in-Chief" to "austere religious scholar at helm of Islamic State". Religious scholar, my ass. So much for solid journalism.
        belltaco 7y ago
        I like how you left out Fox News which is far worse. E.g The bogus Seth Rich story. There is nothing comparable. Maddow and Don are opinion.
        m0zg 7y ago
        Serious question: how do you know it's "bogus"? There's no evidence either way. For all we know the guy could have been Assange's source, which would explain the raging hard-on the current administration has for extraditing Assange.
- TomMckenny 7y ago
  The Post runs the same stories seen in essentially all papers in the world. A lot of them implicate the president negatively. But how does precluding the pentagon from it's first choice on these grounds good for the country? In a free and uncorrupt country, you don't allow leaders to intervene in national security issues because they are embarrassed by a paper's coverage. Thus few people are directly saying that amazon should loose the bid because their CEO has a paper the president doesn't like. More common and to be consistent with the notion of a corruption free democracy, the defense for this is the claim that, despite significant pressure, this surprising turn of events would have happened anyway. This is the story being promoted more but it does require a improbably interpretation of events that only supporters could really ever internalize. Especially since Trump's own secretary of defense flatly said the goal was to screw Amazon over the Post.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    There's no such thing as "corruption free" country. The US is very, very far from corruption-free, both in the government and outside it. It's less corrupt than, say, Zimbabwe, but that's not saying much. Basically one has to ask themselves a question: given that the mainstream press is wildly unprofitable (with very few exceptions), might there be a reason why its owners sinks hundreds of millions of dollars into keeping it afloat? I think you know what that reason is, Chomsky has been railing against it for several decades now. They're instruments of propaganda. They manufacture consent. They are literally no better than Pravda nowadays, although instead of being government controlled, they're controlled by five rich men. It's better than government control, but not by much.
    - Discombulator 7y ago
      In my reading, your post implies that everyone is exclusively motivated by short term self interest. I do not think this is true, neither for myself nor for others, and I suspect you do not either for yourself and people you know. The problem in general with negative fatalistic views like this one is that it is non falsifiable: there is not a single positive / selfless action to which you could not ascribe base motives.

75dvtwin 7y ago

10s of millions of people in US think that Wash Post is colluding with coup orchestrators, trying to overthrow constitutionally elected US president. With the above sentiment, giving Wash Post owner a 10 bln dollar Gov contract for work with military -- would have be borderline absurd. It is difficult to separate these types of discussion from political bias of commenters, but you would have to create your own views (if you do not have them already) For pro-president, anti-Coup views on the topic, search for: To find some examples of Wash Post collusion with the coup crowd, just use: - "Washington Post forced to correct" - "Washington Post fabricated" in non-Google non-Yahoo search engines. - "Washington post Covington no apology" - "Washington post sandbagged"

noelsusman 7y ago
It's a lot more absurd to make government contract decisions based on newspaper coverage the president doesn't like.
- 75dvtwin 7y ago
  I agree that Bezos's/ Wash Post disposition relative to the anti-President coup, likely had to be important consideration. As I noted, 10s of millions of tax payers consider Washington Post is not a newspaper, but a propaganda agent actively involved in to the coup attempt against a constitutionally elected President of US. Just chucking it of to 'president does not like a news paper' -- is diluting the tremendous affects these things have on the well-being of the country and its citizens, and, (given US position in the world stage) , on the rest of the world. Additionally, anti-president spying and evidence manufacturing was, in part, orchestrated by leaking to these 'newspapers' and then referencing the generated articles as 'potential evidence' that warrants the investigation. (eg, leaking the dossier [1] and other fabrications through news organizations ) Some think the anti-president coup attempt in US, is good for the country and for the world. Some do not. That probably, defines a big part of person's view, where they stand on awarding contract to AWS vs MS. (Unless there is tremendous technical evidence that MSs offer will not be competent compared to AWS, or that financial burden on tax budget will be enormously different) [1] https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/fisa-memo-scarier-watergate/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/fisa-memo-scarier-wat...

noelsusman 7y ago

The White House basically ordered this contract to not go to Amazon because Trump doesn't like how the Washington Post covers him.

techntoke 7y ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted when this is the top news of the day