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Why would it become prohibitively expensive? Are ranchers going to stop selling beef?

unlinked_dll 7y ago
>Are ranchers going to stop selling beef It will prohibitively expensive to raise and slaughter cattle if carbon taxes/cap-and-trade go into effect. Personally I've completely cut most meat out of my diet and it's made my life a lot healthier. No particular moral reason and I'm not vegetarian, but I could see that kind of change happening throughout society as meat becomes more expensive.
mumblemumble 7y ago
It's one of the more resource-intensive foodstuffs there is; if the planet keeps getting more crowded at the current pace then I wouldn't be surprised if it's not long before people forced to shift toward less expensive food sources by basic economic forces. Alternatively, vat meat takes over.
- core-questions 7y ago
  People said the same thing in the 1960s, and a hamburger costs me less now relative to purchasing power than it did then.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Western nations aren't growing that quickly and likely have enough space. The fact that the whole world can't sustain it doesn't mean America can't, at least in terms of land. There's plenty of physical space; crowding is only an issue in part of the world. Besides, if this is really the case, then demand will vastly out-strip supply and the price will sky-rocket. No need to try to stop people eating meat; the market would do that.
thrower123 7y ago
It's a fantasy that people are talking themselves into somehow. I don't see it. If nothing else, I'm going to have to maintain or accelerate my consumption of venison, because the white tail population is spiking up.
- core-questions 7y ago
  They're pretending the demand is somehow going to magically go away, or will be reduced to the point where the massive scale farming techniques aren't doable anymore. I also don't see it- it's a phenomenon that is Extremely Online. Normal people don't give these ideas the time of day.
  - belltaco 7y ago
    The idea is to use the carbon taxes for sequestering the carbon released, so it's not just a punitive tax to reduce demand, like the tax on cigarettes. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturing-carbon-dioxide-air https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturi... Normal people also are very opinionated but don't know the facts.

>Are ranchers going to stop selling beef It will prohibitively expensive to raise and slaughter cattle if carbon taxes/cap-and-trade go into effect. Personally I've completely cut most meat out of my diet and it's made my life a lot healthier. No particular moral reason and I'm not vegetarian, but I could see that kind of change happening throughout society as meat becomes more expensive.

mumblemumble 7y ago

It's one of the more resource-intensive foodstuffs there is; if the planet keeps getting more crowded at the current pace then I wouldn't be surprised if it's not long before people forced to shift toward less expensive food sources by basic economic forces. Alternatively, vat meat takes over.

core-questions 7y ago
People said the same thing in the 1960s, and a hamburger costs me less now relative to purchasing power than it did then.
big_chungus 7y ago
Western nations aren't growing that quickly and likely have enough space. The fact that the whole world can't sustain it doesn't mean America can't, at least in terms of land. There's plenty of physical space; crowding is only an issue in part of the world. Besides, if this is really the case, then demand will vastly out-strip supply and the price will sky-rocket. No need to try to stop people eating meat; the market would do that.

thrower123 7y ago

It's a fantasy that people are talking themselves into somehow. I don't see it. If nothing else, I'm going to have to maintain or accelerate my consumption of venison, because the white tail population is spiking up.

core-questions 7y ago
They're pretending the demand is somehow going to magically go away, or will be reduced to the point where the massive scale farming techniques aren't doable anymore. I also don't see it- it's a phenomenon that is Extremely Online. Normal people don't give these ideas the time of day.
- belltaco 7y ago
  The idea is to use the carbon taxes for sequestering the carbon released, so it's not just a punitive tax to reduce demand, like the tax on cigarettes. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturing-carbon-dioxide-air https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturi... Normal people also are very opinionated but don't know the facts.