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I am sure in 2-3 decades eating meat in West / developed World would either become prohibitively expensive like caviar or it would be outlawed. It seems that n

I am sure in 2-3 decades eating meat in West / developed World would either become prohibitively expensive like caviar or it would be outlawed. It seems that nowadays humans want to completely redefine what is humanity - all social, cultural, religious values are being discarded altogether or are being completely redefined. I don’t know whether this is good or not - all I know is that there seem to be political or social movements behind each and every one of these movements and to have band of people redefine and reinforce, by law and through media, an altered version of humanity for our Children is a scary thought for me.

Rebelgecko 7y ago
Why would it become prohibitively expensive? Are ranchers going to stop selling beef?
- unlinked_dll 7y ago
  >Are ranchers going to stop selling beef It will prohibitively expensive to raise and slaughter cattle if carbon taxes/cap-and-trade go into effect. Personally I've completely cut most meat out of my diet and it's made my life a lot healthier. No particular moral reason and I'm not vegetarian, but I could see that kind of change happening throughout society as meat becomes more expensive.
- mumblemumble 7y ago
  It's one of the more resource-intensive foodstuffs there is; if the planet keeps getting more crowded at the current pace then I wouldn't be surprised if it's not long before people forced to shift toward less expensive food sources by basic economic forces. Alternatively, vat meat takes over.
  - core-questions 7y ago
    People said the same thing in the 1960s, and a hamburger costs me less now relative to purchasing power than it did then.
  - big_chungus 7y ago
    Western nations aren't growing that quickly and likely have enough space. The fact that the whole world can't sustain it doesn't mean America can't, at least in terms of land. There's plenty of physical space; crowding is only an issue in part of the world. Besides, if this is really the case, then demand will vastly out-strip supply and the price will sky-rocket. No need to try to stop people eating meat; the market would do that.
- thrower123 7y ago
  It's a fantasy that people are talking themselves into somehow. I don't see it. If nothing else, I'm going to have to maintain or accelerate my consumption of venison, because the white tail population is spiking up.
  - core-questions 7y ago
    They're pretending the demand is somehow going to magically go away, or will be reduced to the point where the massive scale farming techniques aren't doable anymore. I also don't see it- it's a phenomenon that is Extremely Online. Normal people don't give these ideas the time of day.
    - belltaco 7y ago
      The idea is to use the carbon taxes for sequestering the carbon released, so it's not just a punitive tax to reduce demand, like the tax on cigarettes. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturing-carbon-dioxide-air https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturi... Normal people also are very opinionated but don't know the facts.
unlinked_dll 7y ago
>all social, cultural, religious values are being discarded altogether or are being completely redefined. I disagree. We're just more aware of each others' values.
belltaco 7y ago
It's not controversial that factories can't just pollute rivers with harmful chemicals, and that raises prices of goods. But apply that to the air and suddenly its a conspiracy to alter humanity.

Rebelgecko 7y ago

Why would it become prohibitively expensive? Are ranchers going to stop selling beef?

unlinked_dll 7y ago
>Are ranchers going to stop selling beef It will prohibitively expensive to raise and slaughter cattle if carbon taxes/cap-and-trade go into effect. Personally I've completely cut most meat out of my diet and it's made my life a lot healthier. No particular moral reason and I'm not vegetarian, but I could see that kind of change happening throughout society as meat becomes more expensive.
mumblemumble 7y ago
It's one of the more resource-intensive foodstuffs there is; if the planet keeps getting more crowded at the current pace then I wouldn't be surprised if it's not long before people forced to shift toward less expensive food sources by basic economic forces. Alternatively, vat meat takes over.
- core-questions 7y ago
  People said the same thing in the 1960s, and a hamburger costs me less now relative to purchasing power than it did then.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Western nations aren't growing that quickly and likely have enough space. The fact that the whole world can't sustain it doesn't mean America can't, at least in terms of land. There's plenty of physical space; crowding is only an issue in part of the world. Besides, if this is really the case, then demand will vastly out-strip supply and the price will sky-rocket. No need to try to stop people eating meat; the market would do that.
thrower123 7y ago
It's a fantasy that people are talking themselves into somehow. I don't see it. If nothing else, I'm going to have to maintain or accelerate my consumption of venison, because the white tail population is spiking up.
- core-questions 7y ago
  They're pretending the demand is somehow going to magically go away, or will be reduced to the point where the massive scale farming techniques aren't doable anymore. I also don't see it- it's a phenomenon that is Extremely Online. Normal people don't give these ideas the time of day.
  - belltaco 7y ago
    The idea is to use the carbon taxes for sequestering the carbon released, so it's not just a punitive tax to reduce demand, like the tax on cigarettes. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturing-carbon-dioxide-air https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/cost-plunges-capturi... Normal people also are very opinionated but don't know the facts.

unlinked_dll 7y ago

>all social, cultural, religious values are being discarded altogether or are being completely redefined. I disagree. We're just more aware of each others' values.

belltaco 7y ago

It's not controversial that factories can't just pollute rivers with harmful chemicals, and that raises prices of goods. But apply that to the air and suddenly its a conspiracy to alter humanity.