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The fruit machine was reincarnated for pedosexuals: a device attached to their genitals measures if they get sexual arousal from pictures of children. Those tha

by ipsa 7y ago

The fruit machine was reincarnated for pedosexuals: a device attached to their genitals measures if they get sexual arousal from pictures of children. Those that do are not deemed ready for rehabilitation. Where most people yell scam or digital phrenology, I have a somewhat contrarian view: These systems do work. It is possible to tell, better than random guessing, if someone is gay or has a violent disposition, with just a single picture. Prisons for violent crimes see way more inmates that are bald, bearded, acned, square-jawed (signs of high testosterone). Replicated studies have shown that the profile pictures of gay men are significantly different from straight men, from subtle effects, such as more attention to grooming, to more physically noticable, like shape of the jaw being more rounded. I have no reason to disbelief that an automated system could check for tell-tale signs that someone is hiding something: needing a lot of time to answer basic questions, using their lead hand to cover their chin, looking not in the direction commonly associated with recall, but that of imagination, trembling voice, anxious eye twitches, etcetera. This is what flawed human border guards are already doing. Isreal has the most advanced airport security and trains European and American border guards to detect suspicious behavior. The TSA has over 3000 behavior detection agents. These are people with their own political and religious beliefs, prejudices, and variance -- and they can't be audited rigorously. We just never heard the accuracy, so we can't say if lie detectors can beat this (or can help as a human tool). But I bet they can. I was dissapointed that the actual video chat with the journalist and the digital border guard was not included in the investigative article. They argue that the system be interpretable, but give no full transparency themselves. I'd trust that she did not tell any lies, but I don't trust that they did not try to game/fool the system, as to have an actual article to write about. Anyway, using just one test subject is majorly flawed, and comes close to not understanding that science can't provide 100% accurate predictions, just probabilities. I feel it is a reasoning flaw to discard any automated system, by honing in on a single mistake.

bauerd 7y ago
Please do provide sources for all these claims
- ipsa 7y ago
  Measuring sexual arousal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_for_Paedophiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_for_Paedophiles Testosterone effects on face structure and violent crime: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/019188699400177T https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/019188... & https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/effects-on-body https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/effects-o... On deep nets having better gaydars than average human: https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 & https://www.pnas.org/content/112/4/1036.full https://www.pnas.org/content/112/4/1036.full On AVATAR (the US version of the digital border guard: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/lie-detectors-with-artificial-intelligence-are-future-of-border-security.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/lie-detectors-with-artificia... & https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563218304485?via=ihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S074756321... On Isreal airport security and training EU and American border agents: https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team/19886-detecting-anomalies-why-israeli-airport-security-works https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team/19886-detecting-anom... & https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-israeli-airport-secu_b_4978149 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-israeli-airport-secu_b_4... On 100% accuracy being impossible: https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/scientists-predict-weather.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atm... & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem
  - jyounker 7y ago
    > On deep nets having better gaydars than average human: https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 Didn't that recognition system boil down to being an eyeglass and eyeshadow detector?
    - ipsa 7y ago
      No. (and I feel there is no justification for downvoting requested sources).
gowld 7y ago
Why would you wait until someone is no longer a pedophile before deeming them ready for rehailitation? Sure, one could grant that gay people on average are slightly more feministic, and criminals on average are more testosteronistic (as are athletes and law enforcement officers). How do you define "work"? How is this information usable, even slighly, in a security context, overcome the completely predictable shitshow that it will create in practice? You say "telltale", but that's not supported by the evidence. > Israel has the most advanced airport security Because they have highly trained officers interrogating people and searching packages, not running AI dowsing rods.
- ipsa 7y ago
  Rehabilitation in society: most people do not want convicted pedosexuals who show no signs of betterment to be around children, just like most people do not want murderers released when they say to the prison doctor that they still have an urge to kill. Work, as in serve as a double-check for a human border agent. If someone failed to correctly (as deemed by a reasonably accurate system) answer all 16 questions, I do not want to fly with that person, before a border guard has had a second look. This is how fraud detection often works: An automated system gives a high score, and possible explanations for this score, and then a human analyst can make a more informed decision. Here are some telltale signs that someone is lying: https://parade.com/57236/viannguyen/former-cia-officers-share-6-ways-to-tell-if-someones-lying/ https://parade.com/57236/viannguyen/former-cia-officers-shar... & https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-tell-someones-lying-by-watching-their-face-2016-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-tell-someones-lying-b... Model-performance based accuracy (both human and artificial neural networks) supports the evidence for efficiency. > Because they have highly trained officers interrogating people and searching packages, not running AI dowsing rods. These highly trained officers also sit behind a video camera to observe passengers. Do you think detecting suspicious behavior from video is AGI-complete? BTW: Isreal invests a lot into large scale face detection at its borders, has plenty of intelligent hardware devices aiding its security, uses statistics to skip a pat-down of a 5-year old Isreali boy, they track cars the moment they enter the parking lot and track the time there -- and cross-reference if this car has been near the border or power plants, they may (not sure) do social media analysis, like the US is doing now, the Isreali army unit Intelligence Corps 8200 is actively supporting airport security, the Isreali border patrol focuses all their attention on passengers, and not their luggage (why search their luggage after they've been cleared by a behavior check?), they use TraceGuard to swab clothes for substances, they have a similar Suspect Detection System called VR-1000 which automatically checks for signs of lies, such as profuse body sweat and eye movements, BellSecure ties up all sources of information on the web and in databases to get a better no-fly list, they track their own border agents with automated systems to spot opportunities for learning and malbehavior, WeCU also automatically checks facial clues, they have automated weapon scan systems, Vigilant's surveillance systems are deployed in Israel and the US and act as a digital border guard and motion/gait recognizer. What may sound like an AI dowsing rod to you, could actually help combat airline terrorism. > WeCU Technologies (as in "we see you") is a technology company based in Israel that is developing a "mind reading" technology for the purpose of detecting terrorists at airports. The company's products evaluate reactions to specific images for indications that someone is a potential threat. > The technology involves projecting an image that only a terrorist would be likely to recognize onto a screen. The idea is that people always react when they see a familiar image in an unexpected location. For example, if a person unexpectedly saw an image of their own mother on the screen, their face and body would react. For the terrorist detection, the people passing by the screen would be monitored partly by humans, but mostly by hidden cameras or sensors that are capable of detecting slight increases in body temperature and heart rate. Other detection devices, which are more sensitive and currently under development, could be added later.
YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago
>> looking not in the direction commonly associated with recall Which direction is that?

by ipsa 7y ago

bauerd 7y ago

Please do provide sources for all these claims

ipsa 7y ago
Measuring sexual arousal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmograph & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_for_Paedophiles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_for_Paedophiles Testosterone effects on face structure and violent crime: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/019188699400177T https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/019188... & https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/effects-on-body https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone/effects-o... On deep nets having better gaydars than average human: https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 & https://www.pnas.org/content/112/4/1036.full https://www.pnas.org/content/112/4/1036.full On AVATAR (the US version of the digital border guard: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/lie-detectors-with-artificial-intelligence-are-future-of-border-security.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/lie-detectors-with-artificia... & https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563218304485?via=ihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S074756321... On Isreal airport security and training EU and American border agents: https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team/19886-detecting-anomalies-why-israeli-airport-security-works https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team/19886-detecting-anom... & https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-israeli-airport-secu_b_4978149 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-israeli-airport-secu_b_4... On 100% accuracy being impossible: https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/scientists-predict-weather.htm https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atm... & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_free_lunch_theorem
- jyounker 7y ago
  > On deep nets having better gaydars than average human: https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fpspa0000098 Didn't that recognition system boil down to being an eyeglass and eyeshadow detector?
  - ipsa 7y ago
    No. (and I feel there is no justification for downvoting requested sources).

gowld 7y ago

Why would you wait until someone is no longer a pedophile before deeming them ready for rehailitation? Sure, one could grant that gay people on average are slightly more feministic, and criminals on average are more testosteronistic (as are athletes and law enforcement officers). How do you define "work"? How is this information usable, even slighly, in a security context, overcome the completely predictable shitshow that it will create in practice? You say "telltale", but that's not supported by the evidence. > Israel has the most advanced airport security Because they have highly trained officers interrogating people and searching packages, not running AI dowsing rods.

ipsa 7y ago
Rehabilitation in society: most people do not want convicted pedosexuals who show no signs of betterment to be around children, just like most people do not want murderers released when they say to the prison doctor that they still have an urge to kill. Work, as in serve as a double-check for a human border agent. If someone failed to correctly (as deemed by a reasonably accurate system) answer all 16 questions, I do not want to fly with that person, before a border guard has had a second look. This is how fraud detection often works: An automated system gives a high score, and possible explanations for this score, and then a human analyst can make a more informed decision. Here are some telltale signs that someone is lying: https://parade.com/57236/viannguyen/former-cia-officers-share-6-ways-to-tell-if-someones-lying/ https://parade.com/57236/viannguyen/former-cia-officers-shar... & https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-tell-someones-lying-by-watching-their-face-2016-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-tell-someones-lying-b... Model-performance based accuracy (both human and artificial neural networks) supports the evidence for efficiency. > Because they have highly trained officers interrogating people and searching packages, not running AI dowsing rods. These highly trained officers also sit behind a video camera to observe passengers. Do you think detecting suspicious behavior from video is AGI-complete? BTW: Isreal invests a lot into large scale face detection at its borders, has plenty of intelligent hardware devices aiding its security, uses statistics to skip a pat-down of a 5-year old Isreali boy, they track cars the moment they enter the parking lot and track the time there -- and cross-reference if this car has been near the border or power plants, they may (not sure) do social media analysis, like the US is doing now, the Isreali army unit Intelligence Corps 8200 is actively supporting airport security, the Isreali border patrol focuses all their attention on passengers, and not their luggage (why search their luggage after they've been cleared by a behavior check?), they use TraceGuard to swab clothes for substances, they have a similar Suspect Detection System called VR-1000 which automatically checks for signs of lies, such as profuse body sweat and eye movements, BellSecure ties up all sources of information on the web and in databases to get a better no-fly list, they track their own border agents with automated systems to spot opportunities for learning and malbehavior, WeCU also automatically checks facial clues, they have automated weapon scan systems, Vigilant's surveillance systems are deployed in Israel and the US and act as a digital border guard and motion/gait recognizer. What may sound like an AI dowsing rod to you, could actually help combat airline terrorism. > WeCU Technologies (as in "we see you") is a technology company based in Israel that is developing a "mind reading" technology for the purpose of detecting terrorists at airports. The company's products evaluate reactions to specific images for indications that someone is a potential threat. > The technology involves projecting an image that only a terrorist would be likely to recognize onto a screen. The idea is that people always react when they see a familiar image in an unexpected location. For example, if a person unexpectedly saw an image of their own mother on the screen, their face and body would react. For the terrorist detection, the people passing by the screen would be monitored partly by humans, but mostly by hidden cameras or sensors that are capable of detecting slight increases in body temperature and heart rate. Other detection devices, which are more sensitive and currently under development, could be added later.

YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago

>> looking not in the direction commonly associated with recall Which direction is that?