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So is Facebook with their like button, AddThis with their widgets and probably dozens or even hundreds of other services people use. At this point no, I'm not w

So is Facebook with their like button, AddThis with their widgets and probably dozens or even hundreds of other services people use. At this point no, I'm not worried about it.

jasonlotito 16y ago
Your not being fair in answering the question. Your answering the specific question and ignoring the intent. You say your not worried because other people track you as well. Do you mean if other people didn't track you, it wouldn't be okay?
- coderdude 16y ago
  To be perfectly clear: I am not worried because tracking is a part of life on the Web. This isn't going to change. This isn't specific to Google. I do not care about it and I'm not worried about it.
  - jasonlotito 16y ago
    Would you be against tracking in real life? Cameras everyone out in public? In your home? To what degree is privacy not an issue for you? I only ask because your answers are essentially this: Tracking is okay because you are being tracked. Which, in practical terms, means little as far as opinions go. You are simply apathetic to privacy on the web.
    - coderdude 16y ago
      >Tracking is okay because you are being tracked. Wrong. I never said tracking was "ok" on the merit that it's already happening. It can't be stopped and basically because we fuel it. I give the Web a lot of information about myself. From typing queries into a search engine to storing my photos, thoughts, and relationships in Facebook. I, like millions (billions, really) of other people have willingly sacrificed a certain level of privacy by using these free services who make money off our data. >Would you be against tracking in real life? Cameras everyone out in public? In your home? Tracking people with cameras, or in their homes (get real, dude) is so far removed from the kind of opt-in tracking we're talking about. I call it opt-in because you wouldn't be tracked if you didn't participate. Being watched by some government agency in your home, presumably against your will, is a far leap from here. You're really grasping at straws.
      - jasonlotito 16y ago
        > Wrong. I never said tracking was "ok" on the merit that it's already happening. ... snip ... Sorry. That was clearly my interpretation. Thank you for clarifying. However, I disagree on several points. First, it can be stopped to a certain degree. Just because it can't be stopped across the board doesn't mean we shouldn't fight against it. An example in context to this discussion: You give Google your data. No one is arguing that choosing to give Google your data is wrong. Rather, it's that the data you gave to Google is now being given to other sites without your knowledge. > Tracking people with cameras, or in their homes (get real, dude) is so far removed from the kind of opt-in tracking we're talking about. First, "(get real, dude)". I am. Maybe you didn't hear about the case about the school district spying on students by accessing their web cams in their laptops? So these things do happen in real life. Next... > is so far removed from the kind of opt-in tracking we're talking about. You think people are aware that they are sending the resulting site specific data about their searches? Or do you think they are just assuming Google is tracking this? Do you really think people understand what companies like RapLeaf can do? Did they really opt-in? > Being watched by some government agency in your home, presumably against your will, is a far leap from here. But being tracked by businesses you never knew existed without every visiting their site isn't a far leap. > You're really grasping at straws. I'm not, really. My questions were merely that. If you took them as anything more than honest questions, it's your fault. Mostly a result of you not being clear about what your okay with being tracked. Finally, stop being antagonistic. Your insults are childish. You can disagree, but you can do so being less rude. And if you weren't aware of being rude, you were.
        coderdude 16y ago
        >Rather, it's that the data you gave to Google is now being given to other sites without your knowledge That is a completely unsubstantiated claim. Given to who? >Maybe you didn't hear about the case about the school district spying on students by accessing their web cams in their laptops? I did hear about that. It was a huge controversy and when people found out about what the school district was doing people got in trouble. That wasn't ok and people were up in arms about it. That still isn't even an example of what you were stating because it was a one-off thing that people weren't aware of and when they became aware of it the problem was fixed. >You think people are aware that they are sending the resulting site specific data about their searches? Perhaps not, but I did clarify in the following sentence my exact meaning of "opt-in" in this case, which you seem to be ignoring. So what if sites get the search queries? I have sites too and my Google Analytics shows what people are searching for to reach my site. Do I know who those people are? Not at all, not in any way shape or form. >But being tracked by businesses you never knew existed without every visiting their site isn't a far leap. Yes it is. Some Website knowing that some browser searched for some keyword is still an incredibly far leap from being tracked in your home by video cameras. >Finally, stop being antagonistic. Your insults are childish. You can disagree, but you can do so being less rude. I have not insulted you once. Telling you to get real is not an insult, not under any stretch of the imagination. Especially given the context of the remark. Perhaps I am being a little harsh, but only because your argument went from worthy of a response to completely off-the-wall.
    - yuhong 16y ago
      Yes, but the real problem is you are blaming Google but forgetting all the other sites that can track.
      - jasonlotito 16y ago
        Like blaming Microsoft for all viruses targeting it. Just because you didn't create the problem doesn't mean you can't be part of the solution.

So is Facebook with their like button, AddThis with their widgets and probably dozens or even hundreds of other services people use. At this point no, I'm not worried about it.

jasonlotito 16y ago

Your not being fair in answering the question. Your answering the specific question and ignoring the intent. You say your not worried because other people track you as well. Do you mean if other people didn't track you, it wouldn't be okay?

coderdude 16y ago
To be perfectly clear: I am not worried because tracking is a part of life on the Web. This isn't going to change. This isn't specific to Google. I do not care about it and I'm not worried about it.
- jasonlotito 16y ago
  Would you be against tracking in real life? Cameras everyone out in public? In your home? To what degree is privacy not an issue for you? I only ask because your answers are essentially this: Tracking is okay because you are being tracked. Which, in practical terms, means little as far as opinions go. You are simply apathetic to privacy on the web.
  - coderdude 16y ago
    >Tracking is okay because you are being tracked. Wrong. I never said tracking was "ok" on the merit that it's already happening. It can't be stopped and basically because we fuel it. I give the Web a lot of information about myself. From typing queries into a search engine to storing my photos, thoughts, and relationships in Facebook. I, like millions (billions, really) of other people have willingly sacrificed a certain level of privacy by using these free services who make money off our data. >Would you be against tracking in real life? Cameras everyone out in public? In your home? Tracking people with cameras, or in their homes (get real, dude) is so far removed from the kind of opt-in tracking we're talking about. I call it opt-in because you wouldn't be tracked if you didn't participate. Being watched by some government agency in your home, presumably against your will, is a far leap from here. You're really grasping at straws.
    - jasonlotito 16y ago
      > Wrong. I never said tracking was "ok" on the merit that it's already happening. ... snip ... Sorry. That was clearly my interpretation. Thank you for clarifying. However, I disagree on several points. First, it can be stopped to a certain degree. Just because it can't be stopped across the board doesn't mean we shouldn't fight against it. An example in context to this discussion: You give Google your data. No one is arguing that choosing to give Google your data is wrong. Rather, it's that the data you gave to Google is now being given to other sites without your knowledge. > Tracking people with cameras, or in their homes (get real, dude) is so far removed from the kind of opt-in tracking we're talking about. First, "(get real, dude)". I am. Maybe you didn't hear about the case about the school district spying on students by accessing their web cams in their laptops? So these things do happen in real life. Next... > is so far removed from the kind of opt-in tracking we're talking about. You think people are aware that they are sending the resulting site specific data about their searches? Or do you think they are just assuming Google is tracking this? Do you really think people understand what companies like RapLeaf can do? Did they really opt-in? > Being watched by some government agency in your home, presumably against your will, is a far leap from here. But being tracked by businesses you never knew existed without every visiting their site isn't a far leap. > You're really grasping at straws. I'm not, really. My questions were merely that. If you took them as anything more than honest questions, it's your fault. Mostly a result of you not being clear about what your okay with being tracked. Finally, stop being antagonistic. Your insults are childish. You can disagree, but you can do so being less rude. And if you weren't aware of being rude, you were.
      - coderdude 16y ago
        >Rather, it's that the data you gave to Google is now being given to other sites without your knowledge That is a completely unsubstantiated claim. Given to who? >Maybe you didn't hear about the case about the school district spying on students by accessing their web cams in their laptops? I did hear about that. It was a huge controversy and when people found out about what the school district was doing people got in trouble. That wasn't ok and people were up in arms about it. That still isn't even an example of what you were stating because it was a one-off thing that people weren't aware of and when they became aware of it the problem was fixed. >You think people are aware that they are sending the resulting site specific data about their searches? Perhaps not, but I did clarify in the following sentence my exact meaning of "opt-in" in this case, which you seem to be ignoring. So what if sites get the search queries? I have sites too and my Google Analytics shows what people are searching for to reach my site. Do I know who those people are? Not at all, not in any way shape or form. >But being tracked by businesses you never knew existed without every visiting their site isn't a far leap. Yes it is. Some Website knowing that some browser searched for some keyword is still an incredibly far leap from being tracked in your home by video cameras. >Finally, stop being antagonistic. Your insults are childish. You can disagree, but you can do so being less rude. I have not insulted you once. Telling you to get real is not an insult, not under any stretch of the imagination. Especially given the context of the remark. Perhaps I am being a little harsh, but only because your argument went from worthy of a response to completely off-the-wall.
  - yuhong 16y ago
    Yes, but the real problem is you are blaming Google but forgetting all the other sites that can track.
    - jasonlotito 16y ago
      Like blaming Microsoft for all viruses targeting it. Just because you didn't create the problem doesn't mean you can't be part of the solution.