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> It's not so bad on desktops, and I can restore it there anyway via CSS. I wouldn't recommend trying to modify DOM elements via CSS or extensions if you can a

> It's not so bad on desktops, and I can restore it there anyway via CSS. I wouldn't recommend trying to modify DOM elements via CSS or extensions if you can avoid it. You're going to run into some broken web experiences. Regarding scrollbars, you can set your OS to always show them. As a web dev, I'm out here trying to advocate to never screw with scrollbars.

Majestic121 7y ago
Having no scrollbar could be descrbied as a broken web experience in my opinion. And I actually think that begin able to modify webpage to your liking is important, even if it means breaking the page in the process (I'm kind of used to it with umatrix) I do agree that in an ideal world, every webpage would be an amazing web experience, but unfortunately that's not the case, even with big websites with amazing UX desginer
- wmichelin 7y ago
  Can you share a webpage that actually hides scrollbars? Aside from having a crazy amount of padding and shoving a scrollbar behind some div, how can you actually hide scrollbars cross browser?
  - coldtea 7y ago
    It's literally one line in CSS to hide scrollbars. You can also design the page to endlessly ask for new content as one scrolls, but never display a scrollbar...
    - burfog 7y ago
      In the popular browsers, how do we kill this misfeature?
      - dredmorbius 7y ago
        Stylus or userContent.css rules, generally.
city41 7y ago
OSX hiding scroll bars can be surprising for devs. You try your app on another OS and realize you’ve got several unintended scroll bars. I always turn them back on when working on OSX.
- wmichelin 7y ago
  Yup, I learned this the hard way. We need to advocate for this within the companies we work for. Turn on scrollbars!
cinnamonheart 7y ago
> I wouldn't recommend trying to modify DOM elements via CSS or extensions if you can avoid it. You're going to run into some broken web experiences. If I'm resorting to extensions or CSS to modify DOM elements, it's likely the web experience is already broken from my point of view. It's not something I do just for the fun of it.
- robertoandred 7y ago
  It's nothing to do with the web experience. Turn on your operating system's scrollbars.
dredmorbius 7y ago
The restyling is local only restyling, for my own use, and within my local browser stylesheets (generally using Stylus), only. I've explicitly made that point in the example Codepen showing that styling: https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/full/QwXBEO https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/full/QwXBEO More generally, I've long held that Web design as practiced isn't the solution, it's the problem. https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/256lxu/tabbed_browsing_a_lousy_bandaid_over_poor_browser/ https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/256lxu/tabbed_... I've been toying with the notion of an FYWD browser, standing for "Fine Young Western Dinosaurs" or "Flip Your Web Design", where some of the letters in "flip" were originally different.

Majestic121 7y ago

Having no scrollbar could be descrbied as a broken web experience in my opinion. And I actually think that begin able to modify webpage to your liking is important, even if it means breaking the page in the process (I'm kind of used to it with umatrix) I do agree that in an ideal world, every webpage would be an amazing web experience, but unfortunately that's not the case, even with big websites with amazing UX desginer

wmichelin 7y ago
Can you share a webpage that actually hides scrollbars? Aside from having a crazy amount of padding and shoving a scrollbar behind some div, how can you actually hide scrollbars cross browser?
- coldtea 7y ago
  It's literally one line in CSS to hide scrollbars. You can also design the page to endlessly ask for new content as one scrolls, but never display a scrollbar...
  - burfog 7y ago
    In the popular browsers, how do we kill this misfeature?
    - dredmorbius 7y ago
      Stylus or userContent.css rules, generally.

city41 7y ago

OSX hiding scroll bars can be surprising for devs. You try your app on another OS and realize you’ve got several unintended scroll bars. I always turn them back on when working on OSX.

wmichelin 7y ago
Yup, I learned this the hard way. We need to advocate for this within the companies we work for. Turn on scrollbars!

cinnamonheart 7y ago

> I wouldn't recommend trying to modify DOM elements via CSS or extensions if you can avoid it. You're going to run into some broken web experiences. If I'm resorting to extensions or CSS to modify DOM elements, it's likely the web experience is already broken from my point of view. It's not something I do just for the fun of it.

robertoandred 7y ago
It's nothing to do with the web experience. Turn on your operating system's scrollbars.

dredmorbius 7y ago

The restyling is local only restyling, for my own use, and within my local browser stylesheets (generally using Stylus), only. I've explicitly made that point in the example Codepen showing that styling: https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/full/QwXBEO https://codepen.io/dredmorbius/full/QwXBEO More generally, I've long held that Web design as practiced isn't the solution, it's the problem. https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/256lxu/tabbed_browsing_a_lousy_bandaid_over_poor_browser/ https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/256lxu/tabbed_... I've been toying with the notion of an FYWD browser, standing for "Fine Young Western Dinosaurs" or "Flip Your Web Design", where some of the letters in "flip" were originally different.