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> The only way right now to ensure repairability is to legalize how phones should be assembled and basic architecture. Which would prohibit further innovation

> The only way right now to ensure repairability is to legalize how phones should be assembled and basic architecture. Which would prohibit further innovation and optimization. I'd like to see smaller devices available. Many people would like phones with smaller screens that better fit their hands, which leaves even less room behind those screens for modular components and batteries. I'm currently looking forward to the Purism phone, because it'll serve as a platform for Open Source innovation in small touchscreen interfaces. That doesn't mean I have any illusions that it'll be anywhere near as nice as a less modular phone, and I really have no interest in the modularity aspects. I like the idea proposed elsewhere in this thread, of pushing for standards on recycling and then letting manufacturers innovate on how precisely to meet those standards.

Asooka 7y ago
It didn't prohibit innovation and optimisation on PC. You just have a few form factors and the motherboard has to have the appropriate dimensions. None of the connectors on a motherboard today fit any of the hardware that was current when the ATX standard came to be except maybe a ps/2 port and a headphone jack. Having half a dozen standard phone sizes seems reasonable, along with standard sockets for CPU, GPU, memory etc. At the small sizes of a cellphone it's quite possible you'll need a special device to actually replace components, but that would be acceptable. You should also have a standard battery connector so you could e.g. buy a super thick case and a 6Ah battery.
- olyjohn 7y ago
  Yes, but you're ignoring the fact that there were millions of PCs manufactured that weren't ATX, and could not be upgraded. ATX wasn't a legally mandated standard.
- JoshTriplett 7y ago
  > It didn't prohibit innovation and optimisation on PC And PCs don't have their architecture determined by legislation, so that further proves the point. > Having half a dozen standard phone sizes seems reasonable, along with standard sockets for CPU, GPU, memory etc There are a lot more possible sizes or form factors, CPU and GPU aren't necessarily separate, and memory is typically either soldered-down chips or built into one of the other chips depending on quantity. Separating any of those into removable boards will necessarily make phones larger, heavier, and otherwise suboptimal. > You should also have a standard battery connector Modern devices often don't use a single discrete battery; they distribute battery cells through a device anywhere they fit and wire them together.
faissaloo 7y ago
There's little to no innovation anyway so I don't see why this is an issue.

Asooka 7y ago

It didn't prohibit innovation and optimisation on PC. You just have a few form factors and the motherboard has to have the appropriate dimensions. None of the connectors on a motherboard today fit any of the hardware that was current when the ATX standard came to be except maybe a ps/2 port and a headphone jack. Having half a dozen standard phone sizes seems reasonable, along with standard sockets for CPU, GPU, memory etc. At the small sizes of a cellphone it's quite possible you'll need a special device to actually replace components, but that would be acceptable. You should also have a standard battery connector so you could e.g. buy a super thick case and a 6Ah battery.

olyjohn 7y ago
Yes, but you're ignoring the fact that there were millions of PCs manufactured that weren't ATX, and could not be upgraded. ATX wasn't a legally mandated standard.
JoshTriplett 7y ago
> It didn't prohibit innovation and optimisation on PC And PCs don't have their architecture determined by legislation, so that further proves the point. > Having half a dozen standard phone sizes seems reasonable, along with standard sockets for CPU, GPU, memory etc There are a lot more possible sizes or form factors, CPU and GPU aren't necessarily separate, and memory is typically either soldered-down chips or built into one of the other chips depending on quantity. Separating any of those into removable boards will necessarily make phones larger, heavier, and otherwise suboptimal. > You should also have a standard battery connector Modern devices often don't use a single discrete battery; they distribute battery cells through a device anywhere they fit and wire them together.

faissaloo 7y ago

There's little to no innovation anyway so I don't see why this is an issue.