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Not every person in Netherlands is a citizen? Many only have allowances, I'm pretty sure they mean owners of citizenship

chrisseaton 7y ago
> I'm pretty sure they mean owners of citizenship I know what the word 'citizen' means. I was saying I think it's the wrong word because it's redundant. Of course they're hiring citizens - almost no military recruits anything else (except for commonwealth issues).
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- realityking 7y ago
  The US Armed Forces allow enlisting as a permanent resident: https://www.usa.gov/join-military https://www.usa.gov/join-military There are quite a few exceptions to "militaries don't recruit non-citizens": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recrui... Most relevant to the case at hand, a number of EU countries allow EU citizens to serve in their militaries: Belgium, Denmark, Ireland and Luxembourg
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    But I mean it’s not what the story is about - the story is about them being a new class of non-deployable soldiers - them being citizens or not is unchanged and orthogonal. So why’s it in the title as if it’s party of what’s newsworthy?
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      Deplorable? Deployable maybe?
- jt0 7y ago
  Is that true? According to this, in the US at least, "Roughly 35,000 non-citizens are serving in active duty military and about 8,000 join each year."[1] The US government also deports some of its honorably discharged veterans.[2] [1] https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/eligibility-requirements/the-us-military-helps-naturlize-non-citizens.html https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/eligibility-requi... [2] https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/06/12/ice-is-supposed-to-consider-service-when-deporting-veterans-it-hasnt-been/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/06/12/...
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    Yes the US and UK are notable examples of exceptions. But in most countries it’s the case.
    - Retric 7y ago
      That list includes, US, UK, France, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel. Further, many EU countries accept EU citizenship rather than limit things to their own countries citizens. So, it’s reasonably common among western countries.
      - xvilka 7y ago
        I wouldn't call Australia, New Zealand, and Russia "western countries".
        Retric 7y ago
        I agree that Russia is generally not considered a western country. But Australia and New Zealand are generally on such lists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
      - sharpneli 7y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recr... It’s common across big countries. Lot of that list contains things like from specific area only. Rare amongst smaller countries. For me it sounds odd to serve in a military without citizenship. Finland even allows some men to skip the conscription if they do not live in Finland and have dual citizenship.
- Deukhoofd 7y ago
  The Dutch military is actually considering hiring from other EU countries to bolster forces. [1] http://content1b.omroep.nl/urishieldv2/l27m117bb9ab7f68485c005db32e17000000.9b7249ea668aadf785560babda3f92df/nos/docs/181019_buitenlandersinkrijgsdienst.pdf http://content1b.omroep.nl/urishieldv2/l27m117bb9ab7f68485c0...

chrisseaton 7y ago

> I'm pretty sure they mean owners of citizenship I know what the word 'citizen' means. I was saying I think it's the wrong word because it's redundant. Of course they're hiring citizens - almost no military recruits anything else (except for commonwealth issues).

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realityking 7y ago
The US Armed Forces allow enlisting as a permanent resident: https://www.usa.gov/join-military https://www.usa.gov/join-military There are quite a few exceptions to "militaries don't recruit non-citizens": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recrui... Most relevant to the case at hand, a number of EU countries allow EU citizens to serve in their militaries: Belgium, Denmark, Ireland and Luxembourg
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  But I mean it’s not what the story is about - the story is about them being a new class of non-deployable soldiers - them being citizens or not is unchanged and orthogonal. So why’s it in the title as if it’s party of what’s newsworthy?
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    Deplorable? Deployable maybe?
jt0 7y ago
Is that true? According to this, in the US at least, "Roughly 35,000 non-citizens are serving in active duty military and about 8,000 join each year."[1] The US government also deports some of its honorably discharged veterans.[2] [1] https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/eligibility-requirements/the-us-military-helps-naturlize-non-citizens.html https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/eligibility-requi... [2] https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/06/12/ice-is-supposed-to-consider-service-when-deporting-veterans-it-hasnt-been/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/06/12/...
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  Yes the US and UK are notable examples of exceptions. But in most countries it’s the case.
  - Retric 7y ago
    That list includes, US, UK, France, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel. Further, many EU countries accept EU citizenship rather than limit things to their own countries citizens. So, it’s reasonably common among western countries.
    - xvilka 7y ago
      I wouldn't call Australia, New Zealand, and Russia "western countries".
      - Retric 7y ago
        I agree that Russia is generally not considered a western country. But Australia and New Zealand are generally on such lists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world
    - sharpneli 7y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recruit_foreigners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_militaries_that_recr... It’s common across big countries. Lot of that list contains things like from specific area only. Rare amongst smaller countries. For me it sounds odd to serve in a military without citizenship. Finland even allows some men to skip the conscription if they do not live in Finland and have dual citizenship.
Deukhoofd 7y ago
The Dutch military is actually considering hiring from other EU countries to bolster forces. [1] http://content1b.omroep.nl/urishieldv2/l27m117bb9ab7f68485c005db32e17000000.9b7249ea668aadf785560babda3f92df/nos/docs/181019_buitenlandersinkrijgsdienst.pdf http://content1b.omroep.nl/urishieldv2/l27m117bb9ab7f68485c0...