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Is an illegal* site online? If I built this service I’d just log all the IPs from the requests and just hand them to the FBI.

lacker 7y ago
The BBC just announced the launch of their Tor site. Clearly Tor sites and illegal sites are not equivalent. Unless, perhaps, you live in China.
throwaway8491 7y ago
Why would you violate your users' privacy just because of the network they are using? Many activists use sites listed here, including ProtonMail, Keybase, DuckDuckGo. If you're so happy to help USA law enforcement without a subpoena it's a very good thing you didn't build Facebook or Twitter.
- dingdingdanggg 7y ago
  Because the people who built Facebook or Twitter don’t do that, right? Let’s be serious.
  - hluska 7y ago
    I'm not trying to be a dick and you're obviously free to do what you wish (in case you wonder, I have not downvoted you). But this attitude has absolutely ruined the web. Despite all the improvements in web technologies, browsers and even bandwidth, I have noticeably more difficulty consuming good information today. This is 100% because of lax attitudes to user privacy. Please stop. :)
    - Gene_Parmesan 7y ago
      A few months ago, I had someone tell me on the programming subreddit that, while they were very concerned about privacy and Google Chrome, they tried Firefox but went back to Chrome because (and I am not making this up) the font kerning in Firefox was slightly suboptimal in certain situations. That's what we're fighting against. This was someone on a technical forum who understood the privacy issues at play. But they valued their own privacy so little that they were willing to trade it for slightly improved font kerning. In short, I worry that we're well and truly fucked.
      - 1MoreThing 7y ago
        I think what you're really seeing is how much people value a good user experience, not how little they value privacy. Killing it on the UX end has always been a thing that OSS projects and software has struggled with and lack of growth there is, IMO, part of what has gotten us to where we are.
LocalH 7y ago
What do you mean with that asterisk that you didn't define? Why do you hate freedom?
sysashi 7y ago
You clearly visited that site, have you given your IP address to the FBI? why a throwaway account btw? I would really want to know you so I avoid anything you ever build.
- ratsmack 7y ago
  And you might note the username plays on the name of a known admin.
  - sysashi 7y ago
    Did not catch that, thanks for pointing out. Also got a bit emotional..
spumoni 7y ago
Sometimes this is the only place to go when enough corporate speech zones push out speech they don't like (gab, 8chan, stormfront)
jandrese 7y ago
I know Zuckerburg is being grilled by Congress this week, but that's an overly harsh thing to say about facebook(corewwwi).
jascii 7y ago
This service is also available through tor, so he/she wouldn't have the IP's to give to the FBI..
hombre_fatal 7y ago
I don't know how someone technical could think the FBI cares about some random IP addresses visiting dark.fail. Do you also think the FBI uses their VB.NET GUI to cyberhack-backtrace this IP address list to arrest people for the pre-crime of looking for DDG's/BBC's .onion site?
- clubm8 7y ago
  Having a list of people who visited the site (possible via DNS records) is definitely a way to drastically narrow your suspect pool. Now you don't need to be a global passive adversary - you just sit on the links used by the "bad" people.
me551ah 7y ago
Even if they had your IP address, they would not be able to track which sites you are visiting on the onion network anyway. You could just be visiting the CIA's Official Onion Site.

lacker 7y ago

The BBC just announced the launch of their Tor site. Clearly Tor sites and illegal sites are not equivalent. Unless, perhaps, you live in China.

throwaway8491 7y ago

Why would you violate your users' privacy just because of the network they are using? Many activists use sites listed here, including ProtonMail, Keybase, DuckDuckGo. If you're so happy to help USA law enforcement without a subpoena it's a very good thing you didn't build Facebook or Twitter.

dingdingdanggg 7y ago
Because the people who built Facebook or Twitter don’t do that, right? Let’s be serious.
- hluska 7y ago
  I'm not trying to be a dick and you're obviously free to do what you wish (in case you wonder, I have not downvoted you). But this attitude has absolutely ruined the web. Despite all the improvements in web technologies, browsers and even bandwidth, I have noticeably more difficulty consuming good information today. This is 100% because of lax attitudes to user privacy. Please stop. :)
  - Gene_Parmesan 7y ago
    A few months ago, I had someone tell me on the programming subreddit that, while they were very concerned about privacy and Google Chrome, they tried Firefox but went back to Chrome because (and I am not making this up) the font kerning in Firefox was slightly suboptimal in certain situations. That's what we're fighting against. This was someone on a technical forum who understood the privacy issues at play. But they valued their own privacy so little that they were willing to trade it for slightly improved font kerning. In short, I worry that we're well and truly fucked.
    - 1MoreThing 7y ago
      I think what you're really seeing is how much people value a good user experience, not how little they value privacy. Killing it on the UX end has always been a thing that OSS projects and software has struggled with and lack of growth there is, IMO, part of what has gotten us to where we are.

LocalH 7y ago

What do you mean with that asterisk that you didn't define? Why do you hate freedom?

sysashi 7y ago

You clearly visited that site, have you given your IP address to the FBI? why a throwaway account btw? I would really want to know you so I avoid anything you ever build.

ratsmack 7y ago
And you might note the username plays on the name of a known admin.
- sysashi 7y ago
  Did not catch that, thanks for pointing out. Also got a bit emotional..

spumoni 7y ago

Sometimes this is the only place to go when enough corporate speech zones push out speech they don't like (gab, 8chan, stormfront)

jandrese 7y ago

I know Zuckerburg is being grilled by Congress this week, but that's an overly harsh thing to say about facebook(corewwwi).

jascii 7y ago

This service is also available through tor, so he/she wouldn't have the IP's to give to the FBI..

hombre_fatal 7y ago

I don't know how someone technical could think the FBI cares about some random IP addresses visiting dark.fail. Do you also think the FBI uses their VB.NET GUI to cyberhack-backtrace this IP address list to arrest people for the pre-crime of looking for DDG's/BBC's .onion site?

clubm8 7y ago
Having a list of people who visited the site (possible via DNS records) is definitely a way to drastically narrow your suspect pool. Now you don't need to be a global passive adversary - you just sit on the links used by the "bad" people.

me551ah 7y ago

Even if they had your IP address, they would not be able to track which sites you are visiting on the onion network anyway. You could just be visiting the CIA's Official Onion Site.