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If you can just work overtime, and hit this deadline, then things will let up, and we won't do this ever again. :D

kbrannigan 7y ago
This right here. I remember one night, after 9 hours at work, I was gonna log back in to make some additional commits. I even cancelled a night out with some friends, because "I really have to make this deadline" Then it hit me, if as a competent developer I can't hit the deadline, it's because management added some extra work on top of our usual capacity, hoping we'll do whatever it takes to make it. There's always more work to do. If they don't like me, they can fire me. Nobody on their death bed said: I wish I spent more time at the office.
- amflare 7y ago
  > There's always more work to do. If they don't like me, they can fire me. I was at a job were I figured this out. Management was a mess, scope was so fluid to be essentially non-existent, and it was always the devs fault. So I said "screw it", I work 40 hours and collect a pay check, and that will be the extent of this relationship. Sure enough, about 8 months later I am let go out of the blue for "lack of productivity" and "failing to be a team player". The example cited? When we were asked to stay after hours to help the company move offices. Unless its your company, the relationship should always be about the money. I am giving a skill for X amount of time. In return I an receiving $Y. Anything more or anything less either needs to be put in writing, or is effectively an unnecessary gift. Perhaps it may be one you want to give, but ultimately unnecessary. And anytime the company asks for more X without giving more Y, they are taking advantage of you.
  - sumo89 7y ago
    Startups are typically awful for this because the business is the founder's baby and they can't understand why other people aren't willing to sacrifice as much as they are. I've felt it first hand and in the exit interview the founder didn't even understand I wasn't in it for the stock options are they're vested after 3 years and no way he paid me enough to actually buy in.
  - kbrannigan 7y ago
    Wow! Sorry about that. This must have hurt a lot. It's funny how sometimes it's all about appearances, - Leaving slack on - Taking your laptop home with you even if you don't work - Randomly send message on the week-end. I've not done it, but I've seen people do this

This right here. I remember one night, after 9 hours at work, I was gonna log back in to make some additional commits. I even cancelled a night out with some friends, because "I really have to make this deadline" Then it hit me, if as a competent developer I can't hit the deadline, it's because management added some extra work on top of our usual capacity, hoping we'll do whatever it takes to make it. There's always more work to do. If they don't like me, they can fire me. Nobody on their death bed said: I wish I spent more time at the office.

amflare 7y ago
> There's always more work to do. If they don't like me, they can fire me. I was at a job were I figured this out. Management was a mess, scope was so fluid to be essentially non-existent, and it was always the devs fault. So I said "screw it", I work 40 hours and collect a pay check, and that will be the extent of this relationship. Sure enough, about 8 months later I am let go out of the blue for "lack of productivity" and "failing to be a team player". The example cited? When we were asked to stay after hours to help the company move offices. Unless its your company, the relationship should always be about the money. I am giving a skill for X amount of time. In return I an receiving $Y. Anything more or anything less either needs to be put in writing, or is effectively an unnecessary gift. Perhaps it may be one you want to give, but ultimately unnecessary. And anytime the company asks for more X without giving more Y, they are taking advantage of you.
- sumo89 7y ago
  Startups are typically awful for this because the business is the founder's baby and they can't understand why other people aren't willing to sacrifice as much as they are. I've felt it first hand and in the exit interview the founder didn't even understand I wasn't in it for the stock options are they're vested after 3 years and no way he paid me enough to actually buy in.
- kbrannigan 7y ago
  Wow! Sorry about that. This must have hurt a lot. It's funny how sometimes it's all about appearances, - Leaving slack on - Taking your laptop home with you even if you don't work - Randomly send message on the week-end. I've not done it, but I've seen people do this