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Thank you. I looked at the paper initially wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner, an

by thex10 7y ago

Thank you. I looked at the paper initially wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner, and, while not resolving that, I ended up finding that while the researchers record the type of breakup (substance abuse, personal problems, infidelity, etc), none of their quantified metrics appear to use this as a variable. I'd be curious to see how the outcome varies based on type of breakup. Anyway I found this quote telling: > there may be gender differences in the perceived causes of breakups. Women blame their male partners more often for breakups than men blame their female partners (Choo et al., 1996). In addition, women more frequently report problematic partner behaviors as the reason for a breakup, such as infidelity, substance abuse, and mental or physical abuse (Amato & Previti, 2003; Morris, Reiber, & Roman, 2015). Men, in contrast, are more likely to claim that they do not know what caused their past breakups (Amato & Previti, 2003).

conanbatt 7y ago
> Men, in contrast, are more likely to claim that they do not know what caused their past breakups (Amato & Previti, 2003). This is a very funny quote. Men truly are dumbasses on this topic.
louisswiss 7y ago
> wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner Curious how this is relevant to the study? Roughly 0.001% of women are killed by a male partner each year in the US and - while terrible in of itself - I can't see it affecting the results of this study in any significant way.
- floatingatoll 7y ago
  Among US women, fear/wariness-of and preparedness-for attempts at bodily harm and abusive behavior by men appears to be near-universal. EDIT: Removed bad pre-coffee math. See replies below for better math. I hope this helps you see why such a consideration could be considered relevant to the study.
  - cperciva 7y ago
    (125,000 per year if I do my math right) You're high by a factor of 100.
  - caseysoftware 7y ago
    The 0.001% is a few magnitudes off. In 2018, there were ~15,500 murders in the US with spouses and family members in general being ~15% of those victims. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Hom...
  - louisswiss 7y ago
    > 0.001% of US women is somewhere in the six-figures territory (125,000 per year if I do my math right) No - you're off by two orders of magnitude. Much closer to ~1500 women/year. That's still ~1500 too many, no question. But is it likely to impact this study in any meaningful way? Seems unlikely to me (to put it mildly). > Among US women, fear/wariness-of and preparedness-for attempts at bodily harm and abusive behavior by men appears to be near-universal. That sounds like a reasonable assumption and not one I'd argue against (as someone with no real insight here). But the question was explicitly regarding murder. Not more general violence/abuse. I welcome the well-meaning comment and think your contribution was valuable in its own right, but please don't move the goalposts.
    - floatingatoll 7y ago
      I apologize that my reply does not meet your standards. It is not my intent to "move the goalposts", but simply to convey a mindset you seemed not to recognize, in order to help you understand why they might have included that concern. You now grasp that mindset, even if my construction was terrible. I am grateful that you were able to discern my intent regardless.
- dahart 7y ago
  Murder’s only the most extreme outcome. Physical harm happens at much higher rates than murder, and abuse might well affect this study. Rates of violence between partners show men instigating and abusing more often. A couple of different UN and US sources here are showing that a little over one in five women experiences abuse during her lifetime, compared to a bit under one in ten men: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_United_States#Gender_aspects_of_abuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_Uni...
  - louisswiss 7y ago
    Sure. They talk about physical harm and abuse in the study, and it's obviously an important factor. I haven't (and wouldn't) claim otherwise. But I was specifically asking the OP about murder because it isn't obviously a significant factor in this study (and I was interested to hear why they thought otherwise). I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make.
    - manifestsilence 7y ago
      Except humans aren't rational actors, driven by statistics, and obviously the women who were murdered can't be interviewed. But if there are more stories out there about women being murdered by a partner, and the stories are amplified by the news, it's easy to imagine this could have an effect on perception of the danger of a non-murderous but angry former partner. As to whether this is measurable in a sociological study, I have no idea.
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by thex10 7y ago

conanbatt 7y ago

> Men, in contrast, are more likely to claim that they do not know what caused their past breakups (Amato & Previti, 2003). This is a very funny quote. Men truly are dumbasses on this topic.

louisswiss 7y ago

> wondering whether their sample acknowledges the disproportionate number of men who murder their ex-female-partner Curious how this is relevant to the study? Roughly 0.001% of women are killed by a male partner each year in the US and - while terrible in of itself - I can't see it affecting the results of this study in any significant way.

floatingatoll 7y ago
Among US women, fear/wariness-of and preparedness-for attempts at bodily harm and abusive behavior by men appears to be near-universal. EDIT: Removed bad pre-coffee math. See replies below for better math. I hope this helps you see why such a consideration could be considered relevant to the study.
- cperciva 7y ago
  (125,000 per year if I do my math right) You're high by a factor of 100.
- caseysoftware 7y ago
  The 0.001% is a few magnitudes off. In 2018, there were ~15,500 murders in the US with spouses and family members in general being ~15% of those victims. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Homicide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Hom...
- louisswiss 7y ago
  > 0.001% of US women is somewhere in the six-figures territory (125,000 per year if I do my math right) No - you're off by two orders of magnitude. Much closer to ~1500 women/year. That's still ~1500 too many, no question. But is it likely to impact this study in any meaningful way? Seems unlikely to me (to put it mildly). > Among US women, fear/wariness-of and preparedness-for attempts at bodily harm and abusive behavior by men appears to be near-universal. That sounds like a reasonable assumption and not one I'd argue against (as someone with no real insight here). But the question was explicitly regarding murder. Not more general violence/abuse. I welcome the well-meaning comment and think your contribution was valuable in its own right, but please don't move the goalposts.
  - floatingatoll 7y ago
    I apologize that my reply does not meet your standards. It is not my intent to "move the goalposts", but simply to convey a mindset you seemed not to recognize, in order to help you understand why they might have included that concern. You now grasp that mindset, even if my construction was terrible. I am grateful that you were able to discern my intent regardless.
dahart 7y ago
Murder’s only the most extreme outcome. Physical harm happens at much higher rates than murder, and abuse might well affect this study. Rates of violence between partners show men instigating and abusing more often. A couple of different UN and US sources here are showing that a little over one in five women experiences abuse during her lifetime, compared to a bit under one in ten men: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_United_States#Gender_aspects_of_abuse https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_the_Uni...
- louisswiss 7y ago
  Sure. They talk about physical harm and abuse in the study, and it's obviously an important factor. I haven't (and wouldn't) claim otherwise. But I was specifically asking the OP about murder because it isn't obviously a significant factor in this study (and I was interested to hear why they thought otherwise). I'm confused as to what point you're trying to make.
  - manifestsilence 7y ago
    Except humans aren't rational actors, driven by statistics, and obviously the women who were murdered can't be interviewed. But if there are more stories out there about women being murdered by a partner, and the stories are amplified by the news, it's easy to imagine this could have an effect on perception of the danger of a non-murderous but angry former partner. As to whether this is measurable in a sociological study, I have no idea.

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