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Even if what you say is true, one sensationalized article does not mean that the entire climate change issue is hyperbole. The fact is that climate change is a

Even if what you say is true, one sensationalized article does not mean that the entire climate change issue is hyperbole. The fact is that climate change is a real problem with potentially catastrophic outcome for the human specie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_points_in_the_climate_... When the stakes are so high, where we are literally risking the future of the human race, I'd definitely lean towards the side of action and change even if they sensationalize some facts sometimes in order to motivate change in others.

ceejayoz 7y ago
It's not even a sensationalized article. It doesn't blame anything on climate change. It just says this: > ... residents blame the government for exacerbating the drought by drawing down river water in 2017 for irrigation and other uses downstream. That's it - the only mention of human fault in the entire thing.
missosoup 7y ago
I don't think GP is saying that climate change itself is hyperbole. The problem is that reporting on both sides is garbage laden with misunderstandings and outright lies. This fuels the anti-climate movement, especially when it's coming from the 'pro' side like in this case. I've been ringing bells about catastrophic climate change since the early 00s after being involved in a relevant research project, I'm the polar opposite of a denier, but the way that even 'pro climate change' media covers the topic is harmful to actually conveying it to the public because the media wants to put hyperbole on everything. When the media over-stimulates the public by exaggerating every little thing to a BIG DEAL, the public becomes non-responsive to actual BIG DEAL issues. This actively hinders action to manage catastrophic climate change. This is the same as the CIA handbook tactic to redirect activist movements to ineffective causes so that they're too activism-fatigued to act on an effective cause when one is presented.
- kieranmaine 7y ago
  As pointed out by others the article talks about water use not climate change: "At Menindee, 830 km west of Sydney, despair has turned to anger as residents blame the government for exacerbating the drought by drawing down river water in 2017 for irrigation and other uses downstream."
  - missosoup 7y ago
    The article heavily insinuates climate change and will certainly be categorised as a climate change piece in the minds of most readers. Especially in Australia where 'drought' === 'climate change' === 'farmer issues'.
- TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
  Do climate change scientists pay hundreds of millions of dollars to climate change PR firms to spread known untruths about climate change? Is there a network of climate change science think tanks dedicated to framing the climate change debate in a way that benefits the climate change community? Do climate scientists run social media "consultancies" to make a pro-climate change case on the major social platforms and smaller forums? If any of the above happen - questionable, but let's pretend - they're at tiny outlier scale compared to the organised lies, smears, denial and general FUD put out by the denialist corporates. You say you've been warning about catastrophic climate change since the early 00s. What in your opinion would be the best way to counter climate denial PR? Because clearly simply informing the public of the facts isn't going to do anything against the noise being made by the denialist side.
  - missosoup 7y ago
    > What in your opinion would be the best way to counter climate denial PR? With education. And with a factual description of the problem and the available solutions. With outright rejection of denialism. With rejection of feelgood non-activism like plastic straw bans and tree-planting measures. Don't get me wrong, those things are good and a step in the right direction, but they're far too little far too late compared to what must be done, and so they're inactivism that wastes public energy on measures that don't move the needle in addressing the problem. This doesn't even fly with 'enlightened' crowds like HN out of the box because they'll tend to kneejerk about things like nuclear power + electrochemical CO2 sequestration despite it being the only realistic option to dig ourselves out of the hole we're in. Worth noting that the mainstream crowds in China/Russia are a lot more pragmatic about this than AU/UK/US. I'm pretty sure this comment is going to be downvoted just for mentioning it, but I'll drop it anyway to genuinely answer your question. A lot of the folk I know in the field have basically given up hope to avert this and become gloom and doom in the last 5 years, including people you would've seen on TV at the Paris Accords. They are probably right. It's pretty depressing info to handle. I'm sorry I don't have a better answer, but people much smarter than me don't seem to have one either. tl;dr: Like Bill Gates puts it, misdirected climate activists are actually a bigger problem than climate deniers at this point.
ehnto 7y ago
They aren't suggesting climate change is hyperbole, they're suggesting that the reason many people are able to dismiss climate change is because articles like this reek of sensationalism. In otherwords, in an attempt to get people to listen, they are turning people away as readers can pick up on the hyperbole and feel they're being manipulated. If instead we spoke about the issue factually, to the point and without trying to influence people's opinions with emotional devices, more stubborn people might listen to the idea. It's a shame, because if ever there were a real enough reason for an evangelical to scream in the streets at strangers that the world is ending, this might be it. But it doesn't work, people don't listen to the screaming crazies.
- sjwright 7y ago
  Except the article never mentions climate change so that argument doesn’t make any sense. The issue here is largely due to overuse of water for irrigation combined with a spell of hot dry weather.
enriquto 7y ago
> When the stakes are so high, where we are literally risking the future of the human race, I'd definitely lean towards the side of action and change even if they sensationalize some facts sometimes in order to motivate change in others. I find this behavior deeply hypocritical and irresponsible. Worse, it is unproductive, because even a minimal sensationalization may trigger a lot of misguided (but sincere) opposition from climate deniers. Heck, even many rational people may be alienated by this! As a matter of principle, I am disgusted by propaganda that contains falsehoods or exaggerations, even when it is for a good cause.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  > As a matter of principle, I am disgusted by propaganda that contains falsehoods or exaggerations, even when it is for a good cause. Any issue important to more than a few dozen people will involve propaganda, falsehoods, and exaggerations from both sides of the issue. Simple fact of statistics and human nature. Letting that affect your evaluation of the facts is a mistake.
  - enriquto 7y ago
    > Letting that affect your evaluation of the facts is a mistake. I never said I will change my opinion about the issue because of that. Only that I am disgusted by this behavior. As a more practical effect, just a tiny speck of falsehood in the discourse of "my" side, turns any attempt to convince anybody on the "other" side as an endless discussion about that silly speck, agreeing that it is false, but nonetheless the main cause remains true. It is very tiring. Exaggerated propaganda is useful to create stronger echo-chambers, but not to convince people who are outside.

ceejayoz 7y ago

It's not even a sensationalized article. It doesn't blame anything on climate change. It just says this: > ... residents blame the government for exacerbating the drought by drawing down river water in 2017 for irrigation and other uses downstream. That's it - the only mention of human fault in the entire thing.

missosoup 7y ago

I don't think GP is saying that climate change itself is hyperbole. The problem is that reporting on both sides is garbage laden with misunderstandings and outright lies. This fuels the anti-climate movement, especially when it's coming from the 'pro' side like in this case. I've been ringing bells about catastrophic climate change since the early 00s after being involved in a relevant research project, I'm the polar opposite of a denier, but the way that even 'pro climate change' media covers the topic is harmful to actually conveying it to the public because the media wants to put hyperbole on everything. When the media over-stimulates the public by exaggerating every little thing to a BIG DEAL, the public becomes non-responsive to actual BIG DEAL issues. This actively hinders action to manage catastrophic climate change. This is the same as the CIA handbook tactic to redirect activist movements to ineffective causes so that they're too activism-fatigued to act on an effective cause when one is presented.

kieranmaine 7y ago
As pointed out by others the article talks about water use not climate change: "At Menindee, 830 km west of Sydney, despair has turned to anger as residents blame the government for exacerbating the drought by drawing down river water in 2017 for irrigation and other uses downstream."
- missosoup 7y ago
  The article heavily insinuates climate change and will certainly be categorised as a climate change piece in the minds of most readers. Especially in Australia where 'drought' === 'climate change' === 'farmer issues'.
TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
Do climate change scientists pay hundreds of millions of dollars to climate change PR firms to spread known untruths about climate change? Is there a network of climate change science think tanks dedicated to framing the climate change debate in a way that benefits the climate change community? Do climate scientists run social media "consultancies" to make a pro-climate change case on the major social platforms and smaller forums? If any of the above happen - questionable, but let's pretend - they're at tiny outlier scale compared to the organised lies, smears, denial and general FUD put out by the denialist corporates. You say you've been warning about catastrophic climate change since the early 00s. What in your opinion would be the best way to counter climate denial PR? Because clearly simply informing the public of the facts isn't going to do anything against the noise being made by the denialist side.
- missosoup 7y ago
  > What in your opinion would be the best way to counter climate denial PR? With education. And with a factual description of the problem and the available solutions. With outright rejection of denialism. With rejection of feelgood non-activism like plastic straw bans and tree-planting measures. Don't get me wrong, those things are good and a step in the right direction, but they're far too little far too late compared to what must be done, and so they're inactivism that wastes public energy on measures that don't move the needle in addressing the problem. This doesn't even fly with 'enlightened' crowds like HN out of the box because they'll tend to kneejerk about things like nuclear power + electrochemical CO2 sequestration despite it being the only realistic option to dig ourselves out of the hole we're in. Worth noting that the mainstream crowds in China/Russia are a lot more pragmatic about this than AU/UK/US. I'm pretty sure this comment is going to be downvoted just for mentioning it, but I'll drop it anyway to genuinely answer your question. A lot of the folk I know in the field have basically given up hope to avert this and become gloom and doom in the last 5 years, including people you would've seen on TV at the Paris Accords. They are probably right. It's pretty depressing info to handle. I'm sorry I don't have a better answer, but people much smarter than me don't seem to have one either. tl;dr: Like Bill Gates puts it, misdirected climate activists are actually a bigger problem than climate deniers at this point.

ehnto 7y ago

They aren't suggesting climate change is hyperbole, they're suggesting that the reason many people are able to dismiss climate change is because articles like this reek of sensationalism. In otherwords, in an attempt to get people to listen, they are turning people away as readers can pick up on the hyperbole and feel they're being manipulated. If instead we spoke about the issue factually, to the point and without trying to influence people's opinions with emotional devices, more stubborn people might listen to the idea. It's a shame, because if ever there were a real enough reason for an evangelical to scream in the streets at strangers that the world is ending, this might be it. But it doesn't work, people don't listen to the screaming crazies.

sjwright 7y ago
Except the article never mentions climate change so that argument doesn’t make any sense. The issue here is largely due to overuse of water for irrigation combined with a spell of hot dry weather.

enriquto 7y ago

> When the stakes are so high, where we are literally risking the future of the human race, I'd definitely lean towards the side of action and change even if they sensationalize some facts sometimes in order to motivate change in others. I find this behavior deeply hypocritical and irresponsible. Worse, it is unproductive, because even a minimal sensationalization may trigger a lot of misguided (but sincere) opposition from climate deniers. Heck, even many rational people may be alienated by this! As a matter of principle, I am disgusted by propaganda that contains falsehoods or exaggerations, even when it is for a good cause.

ceejayoz 7y ago
> As a matter of principle, I am disgusted by propaganda that contains falsehoods or exaggerations, even when it is for a good cause. Any issue important to more than a few dozen people will involve propaganda, falsehoods, and exaggerations from both sides of the issue. Simple fact of statistics and human nature. Letting that affect your evaluation of the facts is a mistake.
- enriquto 7y ago
  > Letting that affect your evaluation of the facts is a mistake. I never said I will change my opinion about the issue because of that. Only that I am disgusted by this behavior. As a more practical effect, just a tiny speck of falsehood in the discourse of "my" side, turns any attempt to convince anybody on the "other" side as an endless discussion about that silly speck, agreeing that it is false, but nonetheless the main cause remains true. It is very tiring. Exaggerated propaganda is useful to create stronger echo-chambers, but not to convince people who are outside.