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Cars are truly one of the mistakes the human civilization latched on to. With fossil fuels going out of fashion, cars need to go too. We do not need car not eve

Cars are truly one of the mistakes the human civilization latched on to. With fossil fuels going out of fashion, cars need to go too. We do not need car not even battery powered car. Maybe one car per 100 people is what should be okay for emergency purposes.

t34543 7y ago
This is terribly inconsiderate of people with disabilities.
- pxndxx 7y ago
  This argument keeps popping up, and it's a waste of thought. We'd OBVIOUSLY have cars or other kinds of provisions for disabled people! Do you actually think anti-car people are actually that stupid or inconsiderate? EDIT: BuT WHaT abOuT DeLiVeRiEs?
  - monocasa 7y ago
    > Do you actually think anti-car people are actually that stupid or inconsiderate? Yes, I see a lot of abelism on NUMTOTs and the like. And I already get a ton of vitriol because my disability isn't very visible.
    - mcintyre1994 7y ago
      NUMTOTs?
      - monocasa 7y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/05/meet-the-numtots-the-millennials-who-find-fixing-public-transit-sexy-urbanist-memes https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/05/meet-the-numt...
  - glogla 7y ago
    > Do you actually think anti-car people are actually that stupid or inconsiderate? Yes, I do. I hope it is not shocking for you that people are treating you based on how you behave? "We should make cities walkable and transport efficient and there are more efficient options than individual car travel" - probably someone smart and considerate. "Cars were mistake from the beginning!!! Ban all death machines!!!!eleventy" - probably someone stupid and/or inconsiderate.
  - t34543 7y ago
    Yes, I do, because of hateful comments such as yours towards cars.
jimmaswell 7y ago
Thankfully this extremist position is going to remain an unimportant minority for the rest of my lifetime.
- lazyjones 7y ago
  That kind of extremist minorities are far too often found working in journalism, so-called science (rather academic activism), politics etc. ... So I'm not too optimistic about these trends.
weberc2 7y ago
Maybe it's not your objective, but comments like this would be a lot more convincing if they were accompanied by a proposal for replacing cars and especially a steel man of the pro-car position.
marcoperaza 7y ago
Why? So that people can be forced to live in cramped cities, constantly share their space with rude, smelly, or violent strangers, and suffer the loss of freedom that necessarily entails? Not all of us are so enthralled with the rest of us. At some point in the last decade, I went from wanting to be constantly surrounded by others (youthful insecurity) to having my own life, doing my own thing, and not wanting to deal with other people’s bs. The very wealthy can have a similar experience living in a city, but for everyone else, it means loss of independence and freedom. Plenty of people accept those tradeoffs, but please don’t shove it down the the rest of our throats.
- Frondo 7y ago
  I can walk 10 minutes to get on a train that gets me many places in the city, 5 minutes in a different direction to get on multiple buses to go places the trains don't. No need to worry about parking. Need something from the grocery store? 5 minute walk. Need something late at night? Store's still open, still a 5 minute walk. Need food late at night? I have the freedom of choice. I feel no loss of independence by having city life all around me. If anything, living in a city has greatly improved my freedom. I don't need a car to get most places, I can do a variety of art and culture virtually every day of the week. If I wanted to do large woodcrafts, access a tool library, access a laser cutter or a 3d printer, there's a maker's co-op about a 15 minute walk from my place with far more tools than I'd ever be able to amass even in a suburban house. You may not prefer city life, but in no way does it represent a lack of independence or freedom.
  - marcoperaza 7y ago
    I live in a city right now, and sure, the grocery store is right there, but it’s also very expensive and has a tiny selection. I can get all of the same foods for much less in the suburbs and much more conveniently than carrying several heavy bags for multiple blocks. Anyhow, I’m not saying there aren’t reasons to want to live in a city. I’m saying there are also good reasons not to want to, and I’m reacting to the suggestion that the means to do so be abolished.
    - 7y ago

t34543 7y ago

This is terribly inconsiderate of people with disabilities.

pxndxx 7y ago
This argument keeps popping up, and it's a waste of thought. We'd OBVIOUSLY have cars or other kinds of provisions for disabled people! Do you actually think anti-car people are actually that stupid or inconsiderate? EDIT: BuT WHaT abOuT DeLiVeRiEs?
- monocasa 7y ago
  > Do you actually think anti-car people are actually that stupid or inconsiderate? Yes, I see a lot of abelism on NUMTOTs and the like. And I already get a ton of vitriol because my disability isn't very visible.
  - mcintyre1994 7y ago
    NUMTOTs?
    - monocasa 7y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/05/meet-the-numtots-the-millennials-who-find-fixing-public-transit-sexy-urbanist-memes https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jul/05/meet-the-numt...
- glogla 7y ago
  > Do you actually think anti-car people are actually that stupid or inconsiderate? Yes, I do. I hope it is not shocking for you that people are treating you based on how you behave? "We should make cities walkable and transport efficient and there are more efficient options than individual car travel" - probably someone smart and considerate. "Cars were mistake from the beginning!!! Ban all death machines!!!!eleventy" - probably someone stupid and/or inconsiderate.
- t34543 7y ago
  Yes, I do, because of hateful comments such as yours towards cars.

jimmaswell 7y ago

Thankfully this extremist position is going to remain an unimportant minority for the rest of my lifetime.

lazyjones 7y ago
That kind of extremist minorities are far too often found working in journalism, so-called science (rather academic activism), politics etc. ... So I'm not too optimistic about these trends.

weberc2 7y ago

Maybe it's not your objective, but comments like this would be a lot more convincing if they were accompanied by a proposal for replacing cars and especially a steel man of the pro-car position.

marcoperaza 7y ago

Why? So that people can be forced to live in cramped cities, constantly share their space with rude, smelly, or violent strangers, and suffer the loss of freedom that necessarily entails? Not all of us are so enthralled with the rest of us. At some point in the last decade, I went from wanting to be constantly surrounded by others (youthful insecurity) to having my own life, doing my own thing, and not wanting to deal with other people’s bs. The very wealthy can have a similar experience living in a city, but for everyone else, it means loss of independence and freedom. Plenty of people accept those tradeoffs, but please don’t shove it down the the rest of our throats.

Frondo 7y ago
I can walk 10 minutes to get on a train that gets me many places in the city, 5 minutes in a different direction to get on multiple buses to go places the trains don't. No need to worry about parking. Need something from the grocery store? 5 minute walk. Need something late at night? Store's still open, still a 5 minute walk. Need food late at night? I have the freedom of choice. I feel no loss of independence by having city life all around me. If anything, living in a city has greatly improved my freedom. I don't need a car to get most places, I can do a variety of art and culture virtually every day of the week. If I wanted to do large woodcrafts, access a tool library, access a laser cutter or a 3d printer, there's a maker's co-op about a 15 minute walk from my place with far more tools than I'd ever be able to amass even in a suburban house. You may not prefer city life, but in no way does it represent a lack of independence or freedom.
- marcoperaza 7y ago
  I live in a city right now, and sure, the grocery store is right there, but it’s also very expensive and has a tiny selection. I can get all of the same foods for much less in the suburbs and much more conveniently than carrying several heavy bags for multiple blocks. Anyhow, I’m not saying there aren’t reasons to want to live in a city. I’m saying there are also good reasons not to want to, and I’m reacting to the suggestion that the means to do so be abolished.
  - 7y ago