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As discussed elsewhere in the thread, the few dozen keywords are a different matter (and are just memorized to mean "make the computer do ..."), but having usef

As discussed elsewhere in the thread, the few dozen keywords are a different matter (and are just memorized to mean "make the computer do ..."), but having useful error messages from your compiler helps get stuff sorted out more quickly. There are, to this day, people who get in trouble when their computers reply to them in English, including coding folks. I bet they were (and are) thankful for initiatives like yours, but they won't have the vocabulary to tell you.

Archit3ch 7y ago
The tech community greatly benefits from settling on a lingua franca. Imagine if everyone posted on StackExchange using their native tongue.
- pgeorgi 7y ago
  > The tech community greatly benefits from settling on a lingua franca Maybe we see that in a few years, with everything moving to Chinese. > Imagine if everyone posted on StackExchange using their native tongue. Imagine users going to forums in their own language. People actually do that.
  - astura 7y ago
    People have been talking about "everything will be moving to Chinese in the next few years" for the last ~20 years.
    - pgeorgi 7y ago
      I'm well aware. But China is also the only country (or even bloc) in the world that's aiming for a fully internal supply chain for high tech. Not sure you can transform basic materials into a laptop (to pick one simple example) at scale without China anymore, but China is on a pretty successful track to do that without anybody else. Once they get there, I'm not sure they have a lot of motivation left to do high-tech on foreigners' terms and in foreign languages. While it doesn't follow that "we" need to learn Chinese then, whatever they'll use instead of StackExchange will simply outnumber the English version.
      - ripdog 7y ago
        For hardware, perhaps, but the Chinese have no realistic way to replace the rest of the world for software. If they want to sell their hardware to the rest of the world, English is the only realistic language to use for that. I see no evidence of mass learning of Chinese anywhere.
      - Animats 7y ago
        The replacement for StackExchange already exists, on WeChat. More for hardware than for software.
  - marcoseliziario 7y ago
    Probably the Chinese will embrace and extend the English language, the way the US did.
    - pyrale 7y ago
      The US did not embrace english, the US were a set of english colonists who managed to absorb lots of foreigners with the clear contract that not adapting to their culture/language would result in bad outcomes.
cowsandmilk 7y ago
> having useful error messages from your compiler helps get stuff sorted out more quickly. The definition of useful varies though. Many people starting out don't have the ability to understand some error messages, so being able to search for the error message is most useful. If everyone in the world has the same error message, finding an explanation for the error is a lot easier.
- pgeorgi 7y ago
  > finding an explanation for the error is a lot easier. Two options: 1. LC_ALL=C $command to get the universal version of the error to search/report 2. Add a numerical error code that remains stable across locales
  - gggmaster 7y ago
    LC_ALL=C changes all the locale-related behaviors. I would try LC_MESSAGES first.
skummetmaelk 7y ago
Localized error messages are detrimental to solving the problem as googling the error message in a different language will prevent you from finding a solution in the main language.
- wongarsu 7y ago
  In compilers it's not uncommon to output an error code in addition to the human readable message. That allows you to google independent of language. Of course if you turn on localized error messages you might actually prefer results in your own language.
  - skummetmaelk 7y ago
    This sounds like it's coming from someone who has never had to help relatives fix their broken Windows PCs localized in a language spoken by only a few million people.
big_chungus 7y ago
> having useful error messages from your compiler helps get stuff sorted out more quickly. We're still struggling with this in english. Think about how often the default reaction still is to google a compiler error, unless it's one of a handful of common ones you see often. Compiler errors are often opaque, even to the best programmers that speak english natively. A significant base of software emits error numbers with thin descriptions at best, which then have to be looked up in a manual anyway.

Archit3ch 7y ago

The tech community greatly benefits from settling on a lingua franca. Imagine if everyone posted on StackExchange using their native tongue.

pgeorgi 7y ago
> The tech community greatly benefits from settling on a lingua franca Maybe we see that in a few years, with everything moving to Chinese. > Imagine if everyone posted on StackExchange using their native tongue. Imagine users going to forums in their own language. People actually do that.
- astura 7y ago
  People have been talking about "everything will be moving to Chinese in the next few years" for the last ~20 years.
  - pgeorgi 7y ago
    I'm well aware. But China is also the only country (or even bloc) in the world that's aiming for a fully internal supply chain for high tech. Not sure you can transform basic materials into a laptop (to pick one simple example) at scale without China anymore, but China is on a pretty successful track to do that without anybody else. Once they get there, I'm not sure they have a lot of motivation left to do high-tech on foreigners' terms and in foreign languages. While it doesn't follow that "we" need to learn Chinese then, whatever they'll use instead of StackExchange will simply outnumber the English version.
    - ripdog 7y ago
      For hardware, perhaps, but the Chinese have no realistic way to replace the rest of the world for software. If they want to sell their hardware to the rest of the world, English is the only realistic language to use for that. I see no evidence of mass learning of Chinese anywhere.
    - Animats 7y ago
      The replacement for StackExchange already exists, on WeChat. More for hardware than for software.
- marcoseliziario 7y ago
  Probably the Chinese will embrace and extend the English language, the way the US did.
  - pyrale 7y ago
    The US did not embrace english, the US were a set of english colonists who managed to absorb lots of foreigners with the clear contract that not adapting to their culture/language would result in bad outcomes.

cowsandmilk 7y ago

> having useful error messages from your compiler helps get stuff sorted out more quickly. The definition of useful varies though. Many people starting out don't have the ability to understand some error messages, so being able to search for the error message is most useful. If everyone in the world has the same error message, finding an explanation for the error is a lot easier.

pgeorgi 7y ago
> finding an explanation for the error is a lot easier. Two options: 1. LC_ALL=C $command to get the universal version of the error to search/report 2. Add a numerical error code that remains stable across locales
- gggmaster 7y ago
  LC_ALL=C changes all the locale-related behaviors. I would try LC_MESSAGES first.

skummetmaelk 7y ago

Localized error messages are detrimental to solving the problem as googling the error message in a different language will prevent you from finding a solution in the main language.

wongarsu 7y ago
In compilers it's not uncommon to output an error code in addition to the human readable message. That allows you to google independent of language. Of course if you turn on localized error messages you might actually prefer results in your own language.
- skummetmaelk 7y ago
  This sounds like it's coming from someone who has never had to help relatives fix their broken Windows PCs localized in a language spoken by only a few million people.

big_chungus 7y ago

> having useful error messages from your compiler helps get stuff sorted out more quickly. We're still struggling with this in english. Think about how often the default reaction still is to google a compiler error, unless it's one of a handful of common ones you see often. Compiler errors are often opaque, even to the best programmers that speak english natively. A significant base of software emits error numbers with thin descriptions at best, which then have to be looked up in a manual anyway.