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Gonna second whoever said: Use DKIM. I actually check Spam daily now, after finding support emails whose logs got snagged in the dragnet & personal stuff — eve
by jen_h 7y ago
Gonna second whoever said: Use DKIM.
I actually check Spam daily now, after finding support emails whose logs got snagged in the dragnet & personal stuff — even email from my Dad got shunted to Spam.
I still tip the hat, though, to Google, whose algorithms are wise enough to assiduously stow both the “jump on a call” and “donate to my campaign” emails to spam.
- vidarh 7y agoThe vast majority of messages in my spam folder are not spam on Gmail at the moment. Most of them are from providers I've semi-regularly tried to get it to recognize as not spam for months or years. Of course Gmail also outright rejects a lot of stuff at the SMTP stage, so their filters are better than they look, but the amount of misclassification is extremely frustrating.
- jen_h 7y agoI have this issue with OSSEC messages (automated messages from an Open Source IDS). Same thing, too, have been marking them as “not spam” for years. I think it’s because I don’t always review them...:/ But just because you don’t always open a message class doesn’t mean it’s spam, Google!
- vidarh 7y agoAt one place we even had them start bulk-rejecting messages for our Google Apps domain from a whitelisted source. The entire point of the whitelisting was to allow our internal mail server to forward transactional messages to addresses on our own domain, so it was not even that it was ever reported as spam by anyone, or ever hitting external addresses where I'd understand if Google was more trigger happy. It was ridiculous realising that they basically had no way for even paying customers to tell them that "that e-mail server we told you is ours and we always want to receive all e-mail from no matter how spammy you think it is, using the mechanism you say it there to do exactly that, well, we really mean it". Instead it'd randomly just stop working. [this is a few years ago; who knows, maybe they've fixed it]
- inferiorhuman 7y agoIf you're really curious setup DMARC as well and check out the reports. I used to work for a company that did DMARC analytics, and after setting it up for my personal domain it's kind of interesting to see who's trying to impersonate you (or who's getting spam purportedly from you).
- djsumdog 7y agoNone of the big providers send DMARC messages. Google doesn't. Microsoft doesn't. The only DMARC messages I've ever gotten were from Yahoo and mail.ru. Google/Microsoft don't send DMARC reports because it would make it easier for spammers to know they had gotten past those filters. It's easier to just drop everything they don't like silently. It's why e-mail is terribly unreliable today (much more reliable if you DO NOT use Microsoft or Google).
- jraph 7y agoI regularily receive dmarc reports from Google (every day) and yahoo for instance. Not sure I've ever received any dmarc report from hotmail though. And email is pretty reliable with Google. It is a disaster with hotmail: you have to send a big number of emails to have a chance that hotmail treats your email as non spam. They put your self hosted emails in the spam folder of your regular contacts, and the fact that they respond to your emails and systematically mark them as non spam is an irrelevant detail for them.
- inferiorhuman 7y agoI've got Hotmail aggregate reports up through 2017 (sent from microsoft.com though).
- jraph 7y agoOh yes, this is right, me too. Last report on 2017-10-31.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago