> They're not really diverging from a view layer, just thinking at a higher level about how a view is engineered and how to provide primitives and abstractions

> They're not really diverging from a view layer, just thinking at a higher level about how a view is engineered and how to provide primitives and abstractions that make it easy to build a good, complete UX (not just layout). Thank you for this eloquent wording, you've saved me a lot of time and energy in my responses to people who don't get this point.