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Everyone is looking down on the users, but they're right. Usually the most correct UI design is the most obvious one, and showing off how clever you are might m

by c3534l 7y ago

Everyone is looking down on the users, but they're right. Usually the most correct UI design is the most obvious one, and showing off how clever you are might make the designer feel smart, but it makes the consumer feel dumb. It's one of the reasons I now live almost exclusively in the terminal. The terrible Windows redesigns are usually justified as being more intuitive to users who aren't "powerusers," but when you can't even get something as trivial as opening notepad consistent and logical, whose fault is that? Not the users. The users are just using the abstractions Windows gives them and it's failing becaus Windows didn't implement it correctly.

xmprt 7y ago
At what point do you stop blaming the user and start blaming the designer? Who's fault is it if a user doesn't know how to use a mouse and keyboard? Should we expect all apps to be built with text to speech and touch input as the primary interface? That just seems like a UX nightmare to me. To apply that extreme to this case, I think it's not too much to ask that users know what the start menu is and how to use it to find and start apps.
- c3534l 7y ago
  > I think it's not too much to ask that users know what the start menu is and how to use it to find and start apps. It is when you provide icons for most applications, but only provide text search for others (which has a confusing interface that sometimes displays webpages and local documents). There are limits to blaming the designer, but inconsistent, half implemented, with few affordances, that uses mixed metaphores is neither good programming or good design. It's not always the fault of the design, but this design is the fault in this case.
porknubbins 7y ago
I agree, don’t look down on these people at all. I’ve been using computers my whole life but UI intuitive usability peaked at Windows XP or OSX. I often require multiple attempts to do simple tasks in Windows 10 because its so goddamn inconsistent. There are like 4 different types of search bars and who can remember which one is searching the internet, just your files (depending on if they’re indexed yet), the internet AND your local files, installed programs etc.
- Nition 7y ago
  Not to mention Settings vs. Control Panel.

by c3534l 7y ago

xmprt 7y ago

At what point do you stop blaming the user and start blaming the designer? Who's fault is it if a user doesn't know how to use a mouse and keyboard? Should we expect all apps to be built with text to speech and touch input as the primary interface? That just seems like a UX nightmare to me. To apply that extreme to this case, I think it's not too much to ask that users know what the start menu is and how to use it to find and start apps.

c3534l 7y ago
> I think it's not too much to ask that users know what the start menu is and how to use it to find and start apps. It is when you provide icons for most applications, but only provide text search for others (which has a confusing interface that sometimes displays webpages and local documents). There are limits to blaming the designer, but inconsistent, half implemented, with few affordances, that uses mixed metaphores is neither good programming or good design. It's not always the fault of the design, but this design is the fault in this case.

porknubbins 7y ago

I agree, don’t look down on these people at all. I’ve been using computers my whole life but UI intuitive usability peaked at Windows XP or OSX. I often require multiple attempts to do simple tasks in Windows 10 because its so goddamn inconsistent. There are like 4 different types of search bars and who can remember which one is searching the internet, just your files (depending on if they’re indexed yet), the internet AND your local files, installed programs etc.

Nition 7y ago
Not to mention Settings vs. Control Panel.