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> I still have to dig through well hidden “advanced” dialog boxes that were previously exposed in the UI to do things that I remember Office was capable of doin

> I still have to dig through well hidden “advanced” dialog boxes that were previously exposed in the UI to do things that I remember Office was capable of doing. The search button in Office apps is super useful. Type in a vague suggestion of what you want and it'll pop up a button for the appropriate feature! The ribbon is very nice for some things. It is meh for others. In Excel I'd argue it was a dramatic improvement. I remember spending forever digging through Excel menus trying to find out where some feature had been crammed in 10+ years prior before the concept of good UI even existed. The ribbon was a nice opportunity to reorganize things into more meaningful categories. But yeah, there are still some things I can never remember quite were they are at.

dan-robertson 7y ago
The search feature is a good improvement. You see it used to various degrees in other complicated programs with lots of features (eg emacs, blender, even jira). It’s good because it can make things better for people looking for a function they don’t know and for advanced users looking for something they do know. And it provides a good intermediate level of speed between digging through menus and knowing the keyboard shortcut. On the other hand, the built in help system before 2007 or so worked out pretty well (maybe it was slightly dying by 2003. I remember the vba help worked well and maybe the rest didn’t work so well), whereas the help system in 2007 was completely awful and I think it was getting worse. I haven’t used office recently enough to know if they ever fixed it or if it was just replaced by incomplete documentation, google searches, and obscure forums.
wiseleo 7y ago
Office can do many things that I wouldn't be able to even begin to describe as a search query. They are all well-hidden. Dig a little under the facade and look at the VBA methods. Most of that functionality is or was available somewhere in the UI.
- nitrogen 7y ago
  Indeed. Search is no substitute for a solid, discoverable information architecture.

dan-robertson 7y ago

The search feature is a good improvement. You see it used to various degrees in other complicated programs with lots of features (eg emacs, blender, even jira). It’s good because it can make things better for people looking for a function they don’t know and for advanced users looking for something they do know. And it provides a good intermediate level of speed between digging through menus and knowing the keyboard shortcut. On the other hand, the built in help system before 2007 or so worked out pretty well (maybe it was slightly dying by 2003. I remember the vba help worked well and maybe the rest didn’t work so well), whereas the help system in 2007 was completely awful and I think it was getting worse. I haven’t used office recently enough to know if they ever fixed it or if it was just replaced by incomplete documentation, google searches, and obscure forums.

wiseleo 7y ago

Office can do many things that I wouldn't be able to even begin to describe as a search query. They are all well-hidden. Dig a little under the facade and look at the VBA methods. Most of that functionality is or was available somewhere in the UI.

nitrogen 7y ago
Indeed. Search is no substitute for a solid, discoverable information architecture.