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wow, just realized some of us have been using shortcuts for so long that we don't know when things get moved. also the "windows" key argument was kinda moot be

wow, just realized some of us have been using shortcuts for so long that we don't know when things get moved. also the "windows" key argument was kinda moot because most keyboard have a key that isn't a "windows" key but works similar...

giancarlostoro 7y ago
I've owned many a keyboard, I don't recall a single one without a Windows key.
- squilliam 7y ago
  Ruggedized keyboards for self-service kiosks don't typically have a windows key or ctrl, alt, and ESC (and if they do there is usually a hardware switch that disables them)
  - ninju 7y ago
    "Ruggedized keyboards for self-service kiosks" does not fall into the category of most keyboards
- jlarocco 7y ago
  On the other hand, I have 6 keyboards near my desk and only one has a Windows key. YMMV, I guess
  - xnyan 7y ago
    I have not personally seen a PC keyboard without a windows key for 20 years, YMMV.
- thomasz 7y ago
  These keys were not standard before windows 95
smhenderson 7y ago
we don't know when things get moved But did it get moved? The article is from 2015 and I didn't start using 10 until 2018 so I don't know where it was then but as of today I can find Notepad on the Start Menu under Windows Accessories. I feel like that's where it's always been. It's called Windows Accessories now instead of just Accessories but surely that's not enough to confuse people so much? As with most everyone here of course I don't launch it from there, I do Win^R, notepad, enter just like I do for calc, excel and winword. But if I never learned how to do that and always relied on the menu shortcut I feel like it never really moved that far from where it's always been.
- sharkmerry 7y ago
  Sure it is. People are very set in their ways of using computers. Not to mention they are on opposite ends of the Alphabet so also the list. The other link posted here about the guy who had never used it, he didnt explore, just froze when something wasnt familiar.
- DougBTX 7y ago
  In the Windows 95 era start menu [1], the steps would be click "start", move the mouse over "programs", move the mouse over "accessories" then click "notepad". The start button itself was the only 3D-ish outlined button on boot, "programs" was the first entry in the list, as was "accessories", so the navigation path was super clear. In Windows 10, the start menu button doesn't have any affordances, there's no border, just a white on black icon. On a desktop, the start menu has a uniform dark grey background, the user has to work out that there is a strip down the middle that can be scrolled. The only clue is that the bottom entry may be clipped and on mouse move a 2px wide scroll bar thumb is shown near the top. After working out that this is a scrollable pane, they need to know to scroll down near the bottom of the alphabetically grouped list of entries to "W". Rather than just moving the mouse over the entry in the 95-style start menu, the user needs to work out that "windows accessories" is clickable to show more entries, indicated only by the small grey arrow to the right of the button. Finally notepad is one of the entries once the list is expanded. So yes, I'd say it has moved. It used to be accessed through the top entries in the start menu, now it is accessed through one near the bottom that is inside a scrollable panel with no clear indication that it can be scrolled. [1] https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/windows-95-start-menu-designer-disappointed-with-windows-10-version-488256-2.jpg https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/windows-95-start...

giancarlostoro 7y ago

I've owned many a keyboard, I don't recall a single one without a Windows key.

squilliam 7y ago
Ruggedized keyboards for self-service kiosks don't typically have a windows key or ctrl, alt, and ESC (and if they do there is usually a hardware switch that disables them)
- ninju 7y ago
  "Ruggedized keyboards for self-service kiosks" does not fall into the category of most keyboards
jlarocco 7y ago
On the other hand, I have 6 keyboards near my desk and only one has a Windows key. YMMV, I guess
- xnyan 7y ago
  I have not personally seen a PC keyboard without a windows key for 20 years, YMMV.
thomasz 7y ago
These keys were not standard before windows 95

smhenderson 7y ago

we don't know when things get moved But did it get moved? The article is from 2015 and I didn't start using 10 until 2018 so I don't know where it was then but as of today I can find Notepad on the Start Menu under Windows Accessories. I feel like that's where it's always been. It's called Windows Accessories now instead of just Accessories but surely that's not enough to confuse people so much? As with most everyone here of course I don't launch it from there, I do Win^R, notepad, enter just like I do for calc, excel and winword. But if I never learned how to do that and always relied on the menu shortcut I feel like it never really moved that far from where it's always been.

sharkmerry 7y ago
Sure it is. People are very set in their ways of using computers. Not to mention they are on opposite ends of the Alphabet so also the list. The other link posted here about the guy who had never used it, he didnt explore, just froze when something wasnt familiar.
DougBTX 7y ago
In the Windows 95 era start menu [1], the steps would be click "start", move the mouse over "programs", move the mouse over "accessories" then click "notepad". The start button itself was the only 3D-ish outlined button on boot, "programs" was the first entry in the list, as was "accessories", so the navigation path was super clear. In Windows 10, the start menu button doesn't have any affordances, there's no border, just a white on black icon. On a desktop, the start menu has a uniform dark grey background, the user has to work out that there is a strip down the middle that can be scrolled. The only clue is that the bottom entry may be clipped and on mouse move a 2px wide scroll bar thumb is shown near the top. After working out that this is a scrollable pane, they need to know to scroll down near the bottom of the alphabetically grouped list of entries to "W". Rather than just moving the mouse over the entry in the 95-style start menu, the user needs to work out that "windows accessories" is clickable to show more entries, indicated only by the small grey arrow to the right of the button. Finally notepad is one of the entries once the list is expanded. So yes, I'd say it has moved. It used to be accessed through the top entries in the start menu, now it is accessed through one near the bottom that is inside a scrollable panel with no clear indication that it can be scrolled. [1] https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/windows-95-start-menu-designer-disappointed-with-windows-10-version-488256-2.jpg https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/windows-95-start...