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This isn't a very helpful argument. I live in Oakland and commute to San Francisco and rarely take Bart because there are many other options that don't involve

This isn't a very helpful argument. I live in Oakland and commute to San Francisco and rarely take Bart because there are many other options that don't involve me breathing directly from someone else's exhalation like we all are forced to on Bart. Personally, I take casual carpool, https://sfcasualcarpool.com/ https://sfcasualcarpool.com/, to work and a transbay bus home. Total cost is $6.50/day, which is cheaper than commuting by Bart, and because I live 30 mins walking from Bart, it is also much faster.

inferiorhuman 7y ago
Yeah I couldn't give you stats on how many people do that commute via car, but bus vs BART is a no brainer. A 10-car BART train can hold about 1,000 people. Bus service can't scale like that (especially not on shared right of ways) which would definitely put you in the minority. South city may as well be the middle of nowhere transit-wise but the difference between taking BART to Market St vs SSF isn't all that big.
- x0x0 7y ago
  it's 19 minutes each way if you ride the train, and roughly 30 minutes each way if you require a transfer. Plus more waiting time heading north due to worse service intervals. I'm struggling to figure out how a one hour increase in commute time isn't a big deal. Without even discussing the local bus.
- wbronitsky 7y ago
  I'm not sure it matters why I'm in the minority in my commute. And if I am in the minority in some populations, I might not be in others. It would seem that quite a few people that live in my neighborhood use the same transportation options that I am, although this is obviously anec-data. I disagree with your last statement. BART is 4 miles from oyster point, so you would have to take a shuttle. I'm going to assume that is at least 20 minutes more, if I'm being generous. So, for me, that would equate to about a 90 minute commute each way, at a minimum, where as a commute to Market street via BART would be about a 50 minute minimum. 80 minutes per day is not a trivial amount of time for me. Overall, I'm not sure what the argument here is. That a lot of people take BART? That we should be ok with more commute time?

inferiorhuman 7y ago

Yeah I couldn't give you stats on how many people do that commute via car, but bus vs BART is a no brainer. A 10-car BART train can hold about 1,000 people. Bus service can't scale like that (especially not on shared right of ways) which would definitely put you in the minority. South city may as well be the middle of nowhere transit-wise but the difference between taking BART to Market St vs SSF isn't all that big.

x0x0 7y ago
it's 19 minutes each way if you ride the train, and roughly 30 minutes each way if you require a transfer. Plus more waiting time heading north due to worse service intervals. I'm struggling to figure out how a one hour increase in commute time isn't a big deal. Without even discussing the local bus.
wbronitsky 7y ago
I'm not sure it matters why I'm in the minority in my commute. And if I am in the minority in some populations, I might not be in others. It would seem that quite a few people that live in my neighborhood use the same transportation options that I am, although this is obviously anec-data. I disagree with your last statement. BART is 4 miles from oyster point, so you would have to take a shuttle. I'm going to assume that is at least 20 minutes more, if I'm being generous. So, for me, that would equate to about a 90 minute commute each way, at a minimum, where as a commute to Market street via BART would be about a 50 minute minimum. 80 minutes per day is not a trivial amount of time for me. Overall, I'm not sure what the argument here is. That a lot of people take BART? That we should be ok with more commute time?