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What's better than Vim? Vim and Emacs: http://spacemacs.org/ http://spacemacs.org/ (use the dev branch)

bloopernova 7y ago
When I first started using Spacemacs, I wished that the Emacs instance had been trimmed down to the bare minimum. That way I could have more easily mapped my Vim knowledge onto Spacemacs without getting confused/distracted by the multitude of extra features and tools Emacs gives you. I was wondering were that method were to be paired with a tutorial, if that would help ease people into Spacemacs/Emacs more. In other words, each step or lesson in the tutorial enables a new feature and explores it. So perhaps start with basic text editing, saving, opening, recently used files etc. Then add something like git or magit, and explore how that is used, then explore how the git and editing interact. Each new feature discussed would be like adding a new layer to the ~/.spacemacs file.
the_duke 7y ago
I used Spacemacs and then Emacs + Evil for a while. My biggest problem is that it is SLOW. Emacs, even without the Spacemacs bloat, would regularly freeze up on me or feel slow and a bit sluggish. My main reason for sticking with (neo)vim over Jetrains IDEs or VS Code is the incredible responsiveness. Thanks to Coc et al we now get awesome IDE features too, and Vim is easy enough to customize. (though not as much as Emacs, obviously) .
- bloopernova 7y ago
  I agree, and I think I've kind of trained myself to ignore it for the most part. Of course, this sets my ADD-addled brain off down a path of wanting to chase down every optimization for my ~/.spacemacs - thank you for that :P VSCode is great and responsive locally on this macbook pro, and running locally on Windows 10 with a directory open in WSL is also very snappy. Unfortunately some of my work has to be conducted in an Amazon Workspace, which is so slow sometimes as to be unusable. So frustrating, and apropos of nothing, just wanted to rant!
- ashton314 7y ago
  I can only recall one time that Emacs has frozen up on me. When was the last time you used it? (I don’t doubt you, but with today’s machines the start up time is so small I don’t notice it hardly at all.)
  - the_duke 7y ago
    The freezes most likely were due to various advanced language plugins. But I think this is also a matter of perspective. Other developers don't understand why Jetbrains IDEs feel sluggish to me and think it might be my machine etc. (I have a very beefy one) It's just that with (neo)vim, a fast terminal and no blocking plugins everything feels instant and extremely responsive.
- noelwelsh 7y ago
  Doom Emacs is the same idea but a lot snappier IME. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs My notes on using Doom: https://noelwelsh.com/posts/2019-01-10-doom-emacs.html https://noelwelsh.com/posts/2019-01-10-doom-emacs.html
- hollerith 7y ago
  What operating system is Emacs + Evil slow on, may I ask? And which operations are slow? Emacs's term mode, shell mode, etc, are 100s of times slower than most terminal apps at scrolling thousands of lines at the user, which is a common part of the workflow of some C programmers. Is that where it is slow for you?
schwurb 7y ago
I use it and love every bit. I also does not feel sluggish to me, despite being normaly sensitive to anything in the way of fast development cycles.

When I first started using Spacemacs, I wished that the Emacs instance had been trimmed down to the bare minimum. That way I could have more easily mapped my Vim knowledge onto Spacemacs without getting confused/distracted by the multitude of extra features and tools Emacs gives you. I was wondering were that method were to be paired with a tutorial, if that would help ease people into Spacemacs/Emacs more. In other words, each step or lesson in the tutorial enables a new feature and explores it. So perhaps start with basic text editing, saving, opening, recently used files etc. Then add something like git or magit, and explore how that is used, then explore how the git and editing interact. Each new feature discussed would be like adding a new layer to the ~/.spacemacs file.

the_duke 7y ago

I used Spacemacs and then Emacs + Evil for a while. My biggest problem is that it is SLOW. Emacs, even without the Spacemacs bloat, would regularly freeze up on me or feel slow and a bit sluggish. My main reason for sticking with (neo)vim over Jetrains IDEs or VS Code is the incredible responsiveness. Thanks to Coc et al we now get awesome IDE features too, and Vim is easy enough to customize. (though not as much as Emacs, obviously) .

bloopernova 7y ago
I agree, and I think I've kind of trained myself to ignore it for the most part. Of course, this sets my ADD-addled brain off down a path of wanting to chase down every optimization for my ~/.spacemacs - thank you for that :P VSCode is great and responsive locally on this macbook pro, and running locally on Windows 10 with a directory open in WSL is also very snappy. Unfortunately some of my work has to be conducted in an Amazon Workspace, which is so slow sometimes as to be unusable. So frustrating, and apropos of nothing, just wanted to rant!
ashton314 7y ago
I can only recall one time that Emacs has frozen up on me. When was the last time you used it? (I don’t doubt you, but with today’s machines the start up time is so small I don’t notice it hardly at all.)
- the_duke 7y ago
  The freezes most likely were due to various advanced language plugins. But I think this is also a matter of perspective. Other developers don't understand why Jetbrains IDEs feel sluggish to me and think it might be my machine etc. (I have a very beefy one) It's just that with (neo)vim, a fast terminal and no blocking plugins everything feels instant and extremely responsive.
noelwelsh 7y ago
Doom Emacs is the same idea but a lot snappier IME. https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs My notes on using Doom: https://noelwelsh.com/posts/2019-01-10-doom-emacs.html https://noelwelsh.com/posts/2019-01-10-doom-emacs.html
hollerith 7y ago
What operating system is Emacs + Evil slow on, may I ask? And which operations are slow? Emacs's term mode, shell mode, etc, are 100s of times slower than most terminal apps at scrolling thousands of lines at the user, which is a common part of the workflow of some C programmers. Is that where it is slow for you?

schwurb 7y ago

I use it and love every bit. I also does not feel sluggish to me, despite being normaly sensitive to anything in the way of fast development cycles.