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Trump was elected because of Clinton. If the Democrats could field a candidate that wasn’t hell bent on gun banning, they’d probably win. As it stands, Trump
by madengr 7y ago
Trump was elected because of Clinton. If the Democrats could field a candidate that wasn’t hell bent on gun banning, they’d probably win. As it stands, Trump will win again. The “hell yes, were are coming for your guns” probably cost them the election.
- pjc50 7y agoIf the Republicans could come up with an effective plan for ending the regular mass shootings, perhaps some sort of compromise? Then there would be much less momentum for gun control or gun bans.
- corporateslave5 7y agoWhat if mass shootings are tied to the destruction of the white working class? You have an easy fix for that?
- pjc50 7y agoAre they? Some, like the Vegas shooter with his arsenal, appear to have been well off.
- krapp 7y agoWe already have a "fix" for domestic terrorists - arrest them or shoot them.
- corporateslave5 7y agoThat’s what third world countries do, govern by violence first, instead of trying to solve underlying problems
- krapp 7y agoMass shooters do not have a legitimate place in any first world system of governance. Every country treats domestic terrorists the same way, regardless of whatever other solutions for the underlying problems might be attempted.
- corporateslave5 7y agoOfcourse they should be felt with swiftly, but when it becomes a pattern you have to look at underlying causes
- pnako 7y agoI don't see anyone arguing for letting mass shooters roam free. The issue is: how to prevent those shootings in the first place. If you kill or jail them for life it doesn't exactly prevent the shooting they did, does it?
- a_tractor 7y ago>Mass shooters do not have a legitimate place in any first world system of governance. Right, which is why those who commit such crimes are permanently and severely punished to the full extent of the law for the rest of their lives. Its insane that I have to even state what should be blindingly obvious, but it is impossible to identify a "mass shooter" until the very moment they begin mass shooting, and you cannot lock up or restrict the rights of innocent people simply based on speculation or "guilt by association." If you do not understand the underlying issues producing "domestic terrorists" then you cannot possibly hope to identify them.
- pjc50 7y agoThis hasn't stemmed the tide of mass shootings. Almost all of them are shot dead.
- c0nducktr 7y agoDoesn't seem like a very good fix when shootings keep happening.
- authoritarian 7y agoWhen has police running around shooting people ever fixed anything
- Ididntdothis 7y agoI would agree. The Democrats could easily have won in 2016 if they had actually tried to win. Same may happen in 2020. Instead of coming up with a vision for the country they are wasting their time and energy in impeachment. Just get f...ing elected! Actually have a plan!
- pvaldes 7y agoDemocrats won in fact. Having 2,8 million more votes than the second candidate would qualify as winning in most definitions of democracy. The problem is that the system does not work like this.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoThey didn’t win. Maybe they should have read the rules...
- refurb 7y agoYou might want to go tell Justin Trudeau that. Oh yeah, it’s not an issue if the candidate we like won.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoIt wasn't just gun banning. Hillary was a terrible candidate. She didn't stand for much except her being elected. She wasn't likeable. She called half the country "deplorables" - the exact voters that we're talking about. She exuded this air of entitlement. And she had some scandals. (Yeah, I know, Trump wasn't exactly free from scandals either. But he didn't have the rest of the baggage.)