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I wonder if we'll end up with individual home storage, eg Tesla Powerwall or similar. Then you fill it up when there's grid, you use it when there isn't, and yo

I wonder if we'll end up with individual home storage, eg Tesla Powerwall or similar. Then you fill it up when there's grid, you use it when there isn't, and you just have to manage the charge level.

rubbingalcohol 7y ago
Or maybe people will move to states that aren't so badly managed that critical infrastructure is unavailable as a matter of course.
- tonyedgecombe 7y ago
  Most critical infrastructure has its own backup system already.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Not likely. California has too much to offer most ($3 trillion economy). People will get solar (mandatory on new construction residential roofs now after Jan 2020) and Powerwalls and carry on.
  - rubbingalcohol 7y ago
    Yea RICH people will do that. Everyone else will be living in third world conditions, and that's apparently okay.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      It's not okay. PG&E should be nationalized and the infrastructure properly managed and invested in (including burying distribution and high voltage transmission lines), instead of profits being syphoned off for shareholders while the electrical grid crumbles. But we're not there yet (political courage and whatnot), and these are the options available. If you have a better idea for those who want to remain in the state (disclaimer: not a CA resident, no judgement), propose and implement it.
      - ColanR 7y ago
        > PG&E should be nationalized and the infrastructure properly managed and invested in (including burying distribution and high voltage transmission lines), instead of profits being syphoned off for shareholders while the electrical grid crumbles. Unfortunately, some of the other comments here make it clear that government corruption is a common cause of similar power shortages in other parts of the world. I don't think your claim that the government would be a better manager is tenable.
        toomuchtodo 7y ago
        US government bodies do not face the same lack of accountability, transparency, and governance faced by South African governments. > I don't think your claim that the government would be a better manager is tenable. I'm unsure how one can make that claim. I'm unaware of any other parts of the US or other developed nations that are experiencing rolling blackouts due to utility mismanagement.
PhasmaFelis 7y ago
That'll just make things worse unless its supplemented with e.g. home solar. If they can't afford to produce enough power, trying to suck down extra power during the uptimes to hold for the downtimes won't help.

I wonder if we'll end up with individual home storage, eg Tesla Powerwall or similar. Then you fill it up when there's grid, you use it when there isn't, and you just have to manage the charge level.

rubbingalcohol 7y ago

Or maybe people will move to states that aren't so badly managed that critical infrastructure is unavailable as a matter of course.

tonyedgecombe 7y ago
Most critical infrastructure has its own backup system already.
toomuchtodo 7y ago
Not likely. California has too much to offer most ($3 trillion economy). People will get solar (mandatory on new construction residential roofs now after Jan 2020) and Powerwalls and carry on.
- rubbingalcohol 7y ago
  Yea RICH people will do that. Everyone else will be living in third world conditions, and that's apparently okay.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    It's not okay. PG&E should be nationalized and the infrastructure properly managed and invested in (including burying distribution and high voltage transmission lines), instead of profits being syphoned off for shareholders while the electrical grid crumbles. But we're not there yet (political courage and whatnot), and these are the options available. If you have a better idea for those who want to remain in the state (disclaimer: not a CA resident, no judgement), propose and implement it.
    - ColanR 7y ago
      > PG&E should be nationalized and the infrastructure properly managed and invested in (including burying distribution and high voltage transmission lines), instead of profits being syphoned off for shareholders while the electrical grid crumbles. Unfortunately, some of the other comments here make it clear that government corruption is a common cause of similar power shortages in other parts of the world. I don't think your claim that the government would be a better manager is tenable.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        US government bodies do not face the same lack of accountability, transparency, and governance faced by South African governments. > I don't think your claim that the government would be a better manager is tenable. I'm unsure how one can make that claim. I'm unaware of any other parts of the US or other developed nations that are experiencing rolling blackouts due to utility mismanagement.

PhasmaFelis 7y ago

That'll just make things worse unless its supplemented with e.g. home solar. If they can't afford to produce enough power, trying to suck down extra power during the uptimes to hold for the downtimes won't help.