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So iconic that the picture is with a guy in a coffee-shop using a mac. It seems that the only people I see using VIM are those kind of people.

coldtea 7y ago
That could just be your bias and/or the fact that Mac users are the most numerous UNIX users (10x those that use e.g. Linux on any kind of desktop/laptop). Tons of Linux users use Vim -- and Vim/vi of course has been popular for decades before Macbooks existed...
- collyw 7y ago
  > (10x those that use e.g. Linux on any kind of desktop/laptop). How many of those Mac users actually "using Unix" in any meaningful sense? Any more than Android users are Linux users?
  - coldtea 7y ago
    Enough, considering that group shots of CS departments, programming conferences, hackathons, etc, are always like 50% or more Mac or so (at least in the west) SXSW hackathon: https://www.sxsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Hackathon-Photo-by-Randy-and-Jackie-Smith.jpg https://www.sxsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Hackath... TC hackathon: https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tcdisrupt_tc-9.jpg?w=1390&crop=1 https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tcdisrupt_... https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/27478205537_84c9d8b450_k.jpg?w=730&crop=1 https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/2747820553... Haskell (!) conference: https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*D8GHt8dceOWwQp0HljYqXg.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*D8GHt8dceOWwQp0HljYqXg.jp... MIT student startup program: https://www.3daystartup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/3dsmit1.jpg?w=640 https://www.3daystartup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/3dsmi...
    - collyw 7y ago
      I still see the majority of Mac owners as owning it as a status symbol rather than for the fact it has Unix. Most Mac users are not techies.
bloopernova 7y ago
Well, your comment came across as very snarky and negative, but I wanted to add some information however you intended that comment to be perceived. I've been using vi/vim since about late 1996. I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it's like an old friend by now. It has been on every single system I've ssh'd into (as vi) and every system I've had configuration control over has installed vim. (recently via Puppet or Ansible, previously via Kickstart or setup script) I've used vim for a bunch of different things. Most Linux distributions these days have a lot of sensible stuff already enabled to use immediately, and I've found that my customizations work really well across Linux, Mac, and Windows WSL v1 or v2. Being able to rapidly transform a lot of text in a document through vim's composable commands is incredibly powerful. If you haven't tried it, run through a tutorial.

coldtea 7y ago

That could just be your bias and/or the fact that Mac users are the most numerous UNIX users (10x those that use e.g. Linux on any kind of desktop/laptop). Tons of Linux users use Vim -- and Vim/vi of course has been popular for decades before Macbooks existed...

collyw 7y ago
> (10x those that use e.g. Linux on any kind of desktop/laptop). How many of those Mac users actually "using Unix" in any meaningful sense? Any more than Android users are Linux users?
- coldtea 7y ago
  Enough, considering that group shots of CS departments, programming conferences, hackathons, etc, are always like 50% or more Mac or so (at least in the west) SXSW hackathon: https://www.sxsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Hackathon-Photo-by-Randy-and-Jackie-Smith.jpg https://www.sxsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2019-Hackath... TC hackathon: https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tcdisrupt_tc-9.jpg?w=1390&crop=1 https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tcdisrupt_... https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/27478205537_84c9d8b450_k.jpg?w=730&crop=1 https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/2747820553... Haskell (!) conference: https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*D8GHt8dceOWwQp0HljYqXg.jpeg https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*D8GHt8dceOWwQp0HljYqXg.jp... MIT student startup program: https://www.3daystartup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/3dsmit1.jpg?w=640 https://www.3daystartup.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/3dsmi...
  - collyw 7y ago
    I still see the majority of Mac owners as owning it as a status symbol rather than for the fact it has Unix. Most Mac users are not techies.

bloopernova 7y ago

Well, your comment came across as very snarky and negative, but I wanted to add some information however you intended that comment to be perceived. I've been using vi/vim since about late 1996. I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it's like an old friend by now. It has been on every single system I've ssh'd into (as vi) and every system I've had configuration control over has installed vim. (recently via Puppet or Ansible, previously via Kickstart or setup script) I've used vim for a bunch of different things. Most Linux distributions these days have a lot of sensible stuff already enabled to use immediately, and I've found that my customizations work really well across Linux, Mac, and Windows WSL v1 or v2. Being able to rapidly transform a lot of text in a document through vim's composable commands is incredibly powerful. If you haven't tried it, run through a tutorial.