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Uurgh, dude - it's not the emotional healing that puts scientifically-minded people off, it's Bruce Lipton's language. "The subconscious mind is operating at a

Uurgh, dude - it's not the emotional healing that puts scientifically-minded people off, it's Bruce Lipton's language. "The subconscious mind is operating at a vibrational frequency of theta". What? That's the kind of nonsense I get from the stoners down in my local pub. If his techniques work, they work, and I'm happy for you that you have improved your life. I, however, find such language so off-putting that I can't imagine ever trying anything like this

tomhoward 7y ago
Are you actually in need of this kind of help in the first place? If not, why not just ignore it and move on, rather than posting drive-by bile like this as your one-and-only contribution to the entire thread? His presentation style is not for everyone, sure. Nobody’s is. He talks in pictures and metaphors, which for many people is the most effective way to receive information. Not you? No worries! But consider that you’re only talking about persuasiveness of language/presentation for yourself, not science. The very quote you picked out to mock is perfectly valid science.
- donkeyd 7y ago
  I feel like I'm in need of this kind of help. I have a lot of physical and emotional issues, which I'm pretty sure are related. However, that kind of language does put me off. I'd prefer if someone just uses normal language to communicate. So if you know someone who communicates the same ideas in a different way, I'd really appreciate it.
  - tomhoward 7y ago
    You're welcome to contact me for my own doc once I prepare it. I'd welcome your feedback and help in making it valuable to you. For what it's worth, I come from a mainstream scientific background, and my own view on this subject is not heavily based on Lipton's.
- circlefavshape 7y ago
  Whoa whoa, steady on. I was interested in what you said, googled Bruce Lipton, and it was obvious to me why people who see themselves as 'scientifically-minded' would dismiss it. My comment was an attempt to demonstrate why You said "Apparently it doesn't occur to a lot of people that if mind and body are one and the same, mind activity must surely be deeply interconnected to physiology". People aren't rejecting the logic, they're reacting against the language, because it sounds like the language of a group that are an out-group for science-y people
  - tomhoward 7y ago
    > it was obvious to me why people who see themselves as 'scientifically-minded' would dismiss it Most people who reflexively dismiss the mind+body link haven't heard of Lipton. Rejection of this concept is the default for conventionally-minded people in western society, because we've been conditioned over generations to see the mind and body as separate entities (likely due, ironically enough, to religion), and consequently it's a largely unquestioned assumption in medical orthodoxy. People who are enthusiasts for modern science (i.e., devotees of Richard Dawkins, staunch atheists, etc), seem particularly resistant to questioning this orthodoxy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. My own worldview is not heavily based on Lipton's. I just suggested it to give people something to start out on, in case it takes me some time to write my own doc. Like everyone else here, you're welcome to contact me for a copy. I'd welcome your constructive feedback.

tomhoward 7y ago

Are you actually in need of this kind of help in the first place? If not, why not just ignore it and move on, rather than posting drive-by bile like this as your one-and-only contribution to the entire thread? His presentation style is not for everyone, sure. Nobody’s is. He talks in pictures and metaphors, which for many people is the most effective way to receive information. Not you? No worries! But consider that you’re only talking about persuasiveness of language/presentation for yourself, not science. The very quote you picked out to mock is perfectly valid science.

donkeyd 7y ago
I feel like I'm in need of this kind of help. I have a lot of physical and emotional issues, which I'm pretty sure are related. However, that kind of language does put me off. I'd prefer if someone just uses normal language to communicate. So if you know someone who communicates the same ideas in a different way, I'd really appreciate it.
- tomhoward 7y ago
  You're welcome to contact me for my own doc once I prepare it. I'd welcome your feedback and help in making it valuable to you. For what it's worth, I come from a mainstream scientific background, and my own view on this subject is not heavily based on Lipton's.
circlefavshape 7y ago
Whoa whoa, steady on. I was interested in what you said, googled Bruce Lipton, and it was obvious to me why people who see themselves as 'scientifically-minded' would dismiss it. My comment was an attempt to demonstrate why You said "Apparently it doesn't occur to a lot of people that if mind and body are one and the same, mind activity must surely be deeply interconnected to physiology". People aren't rejecting the logic, they're reacting against the language, because it sounds like the language of a group that are an out-group for science-y people
- tomhoward 7y ago
  > it was obvious to me why people who see themselves as 'scientifically-minded' would dismiss it Most people who reflexively dismiss the mind+body link haven't heard of Lipton. Rejection of this concept is the default for conventionally-minded people in western society, because we've been conditioned over generations to see the mind and body as separate entities (likely due, ironically enough, to religion), and consequently it's a largely unquestioned assumption in medical orthodoxy. People who are enthusiasts for modern science (i.e., devotees of Richard Dawkins, staunch atheists, etc), seem particularly resistant to questioning this orthodoxy. Anyway, it doesn't matter. My own worldview is not heavily based on Lipton's. I just suggested it to give people something to start out on, in case it takes me some time to write my own doc. Like everyone else here, you're welcome to contact me for a copy. I'd welcome your constructive feedback.