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Thomas Edison's 1911 Predictions for 2011

16 points by solipsist 16y ago

taitems 16y ago
Ignore the blogspam, original link: http://www.paleofuture.com/blog/2011/1/18/edisons-predictions-for-the-year-2011-1911.html http://www.paleofuture.com/blog/2011/1/18/edisons-prediction...
- hugh3 16y ago
  Much better. Let's review the accuracy of his predictions: 1. In the year 2011 such railway trains as survive will be driven at incredible speed by electricity (which will also be the motive force of all the world's machinery), generated by "hydraulic" wheels. Accuracy: Pretty good (please let's not take this as a cue for another thread about the lack of a high-speed rail network in country-of-your-choice though). I'm not sure what "hydraulic wheels" means here. 2. He will fly through the air, swifter than any swallow, at a speed of two hundred miles an hour, in colossal machines, which will enable him to breakfast in London, transact business in Paris and eat his luncheon in Cheapside Accuracy: Very good, though too slow by a factor of three (yes yes, airport security sucks, blah blah blah, I love pre-empting threads). 3. The house of the next century will be furnished from basement to attic with steel, at a sixth of the present cost -- of steel so light that it will be as easy to move a sideboard as it is today to lift a drawing room chair. The baby of the twenty-first century will be rocked in a steel cradlehis father will sit in a steel chair at a steel dining table, and his mother's boudoir will be sumptuously equipped with steel furnishings, converted by cunning varnishes to the semblance of rosewood, or mahogany, or any other wood her ladyship fancies. Accuracy: Yes and no. We could have steel furniture, but we generally don't, because it tends to be ugly. I could build a lightweight sideboard out of sheet metal if I wanted to, but I'm not sure why I'd bother. In any case, chipboard turns out to have been the best option for low-cost furniture (hello Ikea). 4. Books of the coming century will all be printed leaves of nickel, so light to hold that the reader can enjoy a small library in a single volume. A book two inches thick will contain forty thousand pages, the equivalent of a hundred volumes; six inches in aggregate thickness, it would suffice for all the contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica. And each volume would weigh less than a pound I have no idea where this comes from. Maybe we could make a book with ultra-thin metal pages, but wouldn't they be so insanely delicate that you'd rip the pages when you tried to turn them? Of course we have better ways to carry around an encyclopaedia in a tiny volume. 5. "Gold," he says, "has even now but a few years to live. The day is near when bars of it will be as common and as cheap as bars of iron or blocks of steel. We are already on the verge of discovering the secret of transmuting metals, which are all substantially the same in matter, though combined in different proportions." This falls into the category "lolwut"? Was this really widely believed in 1911? 6. In the magical days to come there is no reason why our great liners should not be of solid gold from stem to stern Except that gold is really heavy and extremely soft and as a result one of the worst possible materials for shipbuilding?
  - wvenable 16y ago
    > The house of the next century will be furnished from basement to attic with steel, at a sixth of the present cost He seemed to way over-emphasize the use of metal but way under-estimated the use of plastic!
  - ars 16y ago
    If you replace "steel" with "plastic" it would be pretty accurate. But I'm really surprised at the suggestion to use gold structurally - even then he had to have known it's too soft for that. Plus anything common is no longer luxurious, so if we did have cheap gold no one would want it.
    - hugh3 16y ago
      The only real advantage of gold, once it's cheap, is that it doesn't corrode. In a world before (?) galvanised iron and stainless steel and aluminium and titanium and even before the sort of high-quality steel paint we have nowadays, this was a bigger deal.
  - javert 16y ago
    I don't think people give this guy enough credit for his predictions. To take the side in defense of Edison... He was right that buildings would be fabricated from steel and other cheap materials; He was right that consumer goods would be fabricated from some cheaper material (but it's plastic); He was right that we'd have a library contained in a single book-like object (e.g. the Kindle); He was right that metals are all made of the same stuff (as is all matter); we haven't figured out how to convert them yet, though (and maybe it'll end up taking way too much energy; I'm no physicist). Basically, he predicted what kinds of things people would want that would also be technologically feasible; he just didn't correctly predict how they would become technologically feasible. (With the exception of gold-lined ships. That makes me wonder if the source of these predictions is all that trustworthy, because Edison clearly was no idiot.)
techiferous 16y ago
The future is rarely the present with the volume cranked up to 11, it's a shift in focus and direction.
gnok 16y ago
He was pretty much on the dot about steel houses and electric trains and flying machines. Fairly accurate about the 'small library in a single volume' but grossly off the mark with: 'Before long it will be an easy matter to convert a truck load of iron bars into as many bars of virgin gold' Apparently, the greatest inventor of all time had a pretty strong belief in chemical transmutation of metals.
- extension 16y ago
  Eh? Not only are houses and furniture still made of wood, but a large portion of the wood houses from 1911 are still being lived in.
  - gnok 16y ago
    Some furniture and houses are still made of wood. I was referring to massive skyscrapers made with steel skeletons. In much of the world (where wood is expensive or hard to find), reinforced concrete (with steel) is a popular choice instead. Furniture is often steel/iron skeleton with a fabric/wood layer over it.
- tzs 16y ago
  I'm not sure he was thinking of chemical transmutation. In 1911 the nucleus was discovered, a few months before Edison's predictions were written. He may have been assuming that with that knowledge we would soon figure out how to manipulate atoms at the nuclear level.
atgm 16y ago
It's interesting to see in the excerpt that he seems to have an "engineer's" concept of the future with respect to the all steel household. It's an ideal material from an engineer's perspective as he describes it: light, strong, long-lasting, rust-proof... the only problem is that it's also uncomfortable and doesn't any warmth. Edison was a bit off on the books, but he gets credit for predicting the direction of the technology -- miniaturization of data. Six inches of DVDs would more than suffice for all the contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica and several Libraries of Congress.

16 points by solipsist 16y ago

Ignore the blogspam, original link: http://www.paleofuture.com/blog/2011/1/18/edisons-predictions-for-the-year-2011-1911.html http://www.paleofuture.com/blog/2011/1/18/edisons-prediction...

hugh3 16y ago
Much better. Let's review the accuracy of his predictions: 1. In the year 2011 such railway trains as survive will be driven at incredible speed by electricity (which will also be the motive force of all the world's machinery), generated by "hydraulic" wheels. Accuracy: Pretty good (please let's not take this as a cue for another thread about the lack of a high-speed rail network in country-of-your-choice though). I'm not sure what "hydraulic wheels" means here. 2. He will fly through the air, swifter than any swallow, at a speed of two hundred miles an hour, in colossal machines, which will enable him to breakfast in London, transact business in Paris and eat his luncheon in Cheapside Accuracy: Very good, though too slow by a factor of three (yes yes, airport security sucks, blah blah blah, I love pre-empting threads). 3. The house of the next century will be furnished from basement to attic with steel, at a sixth of the present cost -- of steel so light that it will be as easy to move a sideboard as it is today to lift a drawing room chair. The baby of the twenty-first century will be rocked in a steel cradlehis father will sit in a steel chair at a steel dining table, and his mother's boudoir will be sumptuously equipped with steel furnishings, converted by cunning varnishes to the semblance of rosewood, or mahogany, or any other wood her ladyship fancies. Accuracy: Yes and no. We could have steel furniture, but we generally don't, because it tends to be ugly. I could build a lightweight sideboard out of sheet metal if I wanted to, but I'm not sure why I'd bother. In any case, chipboard turns out to have been the best option for low-cost furniture (hello Ikea). 4. Books of the coming century will all be printed leaves of nickel, so light to hold that the reader can enjoy a small library in a single volume. A book two inches thick will contain forty thousand pages, the equivalent of a hundred volumes; six inches in aggregate thickness, it would suffice for all the contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica. And each volume would weigh less than a pound I have no idea where this comes from. Maybe we could make a book with ultra-thin metal pages, but wouldn't they be so insanely delicate that you'd rip the pages when you tried to turn them? Of course we have better ways to carry around an encyclopaedia in a tiny volume. 5. "Gold," he says, "has even now but a few years to live. The day is near when bars of it will be as common and as cheap as bars of iron or blocks of steel. We are already on the verge of discovering the secret of transmuting metals, which are all substantially the same in matter, though combined in different proportions." This falls into the category "lolwut"? Was this really widely believed in 1911? 6. In the magical days to come there is no reason why our great liners should not be of solid gold from stem to stern Except that gold is really heavy and extremely soft and as a result one of the worst possible materials for shipbuilding?
- wvenable 16y ago
  > The house of the next century will be furnished from basement to attic with steel, at a sixth of the present cost He seemed to way over-emphasize the use of metal but way under-estimated the use of plastic!
- ars 16y ago
  If you replace "steel" with "plastic" it would be pretty accurate. But I'm really surprised at the suggestion to use gold structurally - even then he had to have known it's too soft for that. Plus anything common is no longer luxurious, so if we did have cheap gold no one would want it.
  - hugh3 16y ago
    The only real advantage of gold, once it's cheap, is that it doesn't corrode. In a world before (?) galvanised iron and stainless steel and aluminium and titanium and even before the sort of high-quality steel paint we have nowadays, this was a bigger deal.
- javert 16y ago
  I don't think people give this guy enough credit for his predictions. To take the side in defense of Edison... He was right that buildings would be fabricated from steel and other cheap materials; He was right that consumer goods would be fabricated from some cheaper material (but it's plastic); He was right that we'd have a library contained in a single book-like object (e.g. the Kindle); He was right that metals are all made of the same stuff (as is all matter); we haven't figured out how to convert them yet, though (and maybe it'll end up taking way too much energy; I'm no physicist). Basically, he predicted what kinds of things people would want that would also be technologically feasible; he just didn't correctly predict how they would become technologically feasible. (With the exception of gold-lined ships. That makes me wonder if the source of these predictions is all that trustworthy, because Edison clearly was no idiot.)

techiferous 16y ago

The future is rarely the present with the volume cranked up to 11, it's a shift in focus and direction.

gnok 16y ago

He was pretty much on the dot about steel houses and electric trains and flying machines. Fairly accurate about the 'small library in a single volume' but grossly off the mark with: 'Before long it will be an easy matter to convert a truck load of iron bars into as many bars of virgin gold' Apparently, the greatest inventor of all time had a pretty strong belief in chemical transmutation of metals.

extension 16y ago
Eh? Not only are houses and furniture still made of wood, but a large portion of the wood houses from 1911 are still being lived in.
- gnok 16y ago
  Some furniture and houses are still made of wood. I was referring to massive skyscrapers made with steel skeletons. In much of the world (where wood is expensive or hard to find), reinforced concrete (with steel) is a popular choice instead. Furniture is often steel/iron skeleton with a fabric/wood layer over it.
tzs 16y ago
I'm not sure he was thinking of chemical transmutation. In 1911 the nucleus was discovered, a few months before Edison's predictions were written. He may have been assuming that with that knowledge we would soon figure out how to manipulate atoms at the nuclear level.

atgm 16y ago

It's interesting to see in the excerpt that he seems to have an "engineer's" concept of the future with respect to the all steel household. It's an ideal material from an engineer's perspective as he describes it: light, strong, long-lasting, rust-proof... the only problem is that it's also uncomfortable and doesn't any warmth. Edison was a bit off on the books, but he gets credit for predicting the direction of the technology -- miniaturization of data. Six inches of DVDs would more than suffice for all the contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica and several Libraries of Congress.