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I'm confused at the assumption that you can prevent serious organized criminals from having access to strong cryptography simply by backdooring common communica
by nullc 7y ago
I'm confused at the assumption that you can prevent serious organized criminals from having access to strong cryptography simply by backdooring common communications apps.
The genie is out of the bottle: Powerful criminal enterprises will have no difficulty hiring people to build overlay tools that they can run inside their backdoored comms that will provide adequate (at least, if not effectively unbreakable) cryptography.
Even if we ignore the considerable first amendment barriers and there were an effort to outright outlaw strong crypto, steganography has become very strong and even if not quite sufficient finding out your comms were being monitored via a use of crypto charge is way better than having the attacker learn all your info.
In light of this, I find it difficult to see the goverment's position as seeking to widen infrastructure for the wholesale surveillance of the general public with claims of terrorist groups as a dishonest cover for the demands.
The old adage "If guns are outlawed, then only outlaws will have guns"-- has serious limits owing to the nature of guns as physical objects. The sentiment applies a million fold for cryptography, which is fundamentally a collection of ideas with a zero marginal cost of reproduction or execution, mass-less, volume-less, capable of being distributed around the world in a fraction of a second and implausible to silence even with great leap forward mass murder.
Actions to block access to encryption would severely degrade the security and privacy of the general public, on this point I agree with the author. But would it prevent pedophiles and terrorist from having access to encryption? Not likely.
Would pedophiles and terrorists occasionally screw up and use insecure means... sure, but they already do that today.
- onion2k 7y agoActions to block access to encryption would severely degrade the security and privacy of the general public.. Perhaps that's the point.
- ProfHewitt 7y agoThe NIBOR (Nothing Is Beyond Our Reach) proposal addresses the issue of cryptography inside backdoored devices by installing a virtual machine underneath. As discussed in following article, NIBOR also combats steganography: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3425957 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3425957
- Nasrudith 7y agoReally when dealing with known bad actors it is best to always treat their arguements as in bad faith. It doesn't make sense because why they want it isn't honest - even if they fully believe their own lies with a passion.
- snarf21 7y agoI still want an answer from these people. How was crime solved before end-to-end encrypted mobile apps existed? Maybe it makes it easier but maybe it doesn't. These devices connect to WiFi and cell networks and have GPS. It seems like coded messages at pay phones were even more unbreakable.
- Majromax 7y ago> How was crime solved before end-to-end encrypted mobile apps existed? One meaningful investigative tool was (and still is) the wiretap, where access to the physical channel gives unencrypted access to the contents. Phone encryption is possible, but was generally used rarely. It sounds to me as if investigators want to preserve some equivalent of this tool, although its existence in the first place was more of a technical limitation than a legal one.