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I mean, it eliminates the entire East Bay from its pool of possible employees, so that sucks for anyone who lives out there. That’s a pretty big deal for their

I mean, it eliminates the entire East Bay from its pool of possible employees, so that sucks for anyone who lives out there. That’s a pretty big deal for their quality of life.

i_am_nomad 7y ago
There is a ferry from Alameda to SSF, so that would at least allow some people to make the trip. Otherwise you’re right, that’s a 1.5 hour commute each way from major East Bay locales.
et-al 7y ago
Agreed, but at the same time BART needs to run more trains to Millbrae for this reason.
- khuey 7y ago
  BART is more than 4 miles from where Stripe is moving to.
chipotle_coyote 7y ago
I'd agree with it being bad for the quality of life, but eliminates is a bit of an exaggeration. It makes it more difficult, to be sure, but there's a BART station in South San Francisco and a free shuttle that runs between there and Oyster Point. For anyone coming up from the Peninsula or the South Bay, though, this might be a commuting improvement. Of course, the big difference is that Stripe's current office is at the edge of SOMA and Mission Bay, within pretty short distance of the Embarcadero and Financial District. Their new office will be...a business park. No offense to business parks -- Bishop Ranch in San Ramon is unexpectedly lovely -- but they're rarely known for their vibrant cafés, restaurants and nightlife.
- x0x0 7y ago
  Do you ride Bart? You're going from a local commute to bart -> walking to the office, to a local commute to bart -> going to a station that is skipped by 3/4 of bart lines (ie requires an xfer for Antioch, Pleasanton, or Fremont) -> a shitty bus. NB: Bart is ass and generally is too incompetent to align train and bus schedules. This adds probably at least 45 minutes each way for anyone coming from SF or East Bay locations and using public transit. It's an enormous downgrade.
  - jdavis703 7y ago
    Before claiming incompetence consider there are at least 23 different transit agencies in the Bay Area BART has to coordinate with. Yes, we need a system that integrates seamlessly (I personally feel it, I ride BART from Oakland to Caltrain in Mountain View 10-12 times a week). But blaming BART alone for this problem misses the root cause: fragmented transit operators. We need a lead or unified agency like the MTA in NYC or WMATA in DC.
  - inferiorhuman 7y ago
    Do you ride Bart? How do you think most East Bay commuters are getting to San Francisco?
    - wbronitsky 7y ago
      This isn't a very helpful argument. I live in Oakland and commute to San Francisco and rarely take Bart because there are many other options that don't involve me breathing directly from someone else's exhalation like we all are forced to on Bart. Personally, I take casual carpool, https://sfcasualcarpool.com/ https://sfcasualcarpool.com/, to work and a transbay bus home. Total cost is $6.50/day, which is cheaper than commuting by Bart, and because I live 30 mins walking from Bart, it is also much faster.
      - inferiorhuman 7y ago
        Yeah I couldn't give you stats on how many people do that commute via car, but bus vs BART is a no brainer. A 10-car BART train can hold about 1,000 people. Bus service can't scale like that (especially not on shared right of ways) which would definitely put you in the minority. South city may as well be the middle of nowhere transit-wise but the difference between taking BART to Market St vs SSF isn't all that big.
        x0x0 7y ago
        it's 19 minutes each way if you ride the train, and roughly 30 minutes each way if you require a transfer. Plus more waiting time heading north due to worse service intervals. I'm struggling to figure out how a one hour increase in commute time isn't a big deal. Without even discussing the local bus.
jdavis703 7y ago
I commute by public transit from Oakland to Mountain View every day, so claiming elimination is a bit extreme.
- dehrmann 7y ago
  Sorry, but that's a brutal commute, and I spent 5+ years commuting from Mountain View to SF...by car.
djur 7y ago
Doesn't Stripe have remote workers?
m-ee 7y ago
Anyone in west Oakland or Alameda will actually have a fantastic commute, the new office is steps away from the ferry which is by far the best way to commute in the bay. They'll need to step up service though, earlier boats are already pretty full.

I mean, it eliminates the entire East Bay from its pool of possible employees, so that sucks for anyone who lives out there. That’s a pretty big deal for their quality of life.

i_am_nomad 7y ago

There is a ferry from Alameda to SSF, so that would at least allow some people to make the trip. Otherwise you’re right, that’s a 1.5 hour commute each way from major East Bay locales.

et-al 7y ago

Agreed, but at the same time BART needs to run more trains to Millbrae for this reason.

khuey 7y ago
BART is more than 4 miles from where Stripe is moving to.

chipotle_coyote 7y ago

I'd agree with it being bad for the quality of life, but eliminates is a bit of an exaggeration. It makes it more difficult, to be sure, but there's a BART station in South San Francisco and a free shuttle that runs between there and Oyster Point. For anyone coming up from the Peninsula or the South Bay, though, this might be a commuting improvement. Of course, the big difference is that Stripe's current office is at the edge of SOMA and Mission Bay, within pretty short distance of the Embarcadero and Financial District. Their new office will be...a business park. No offense to business parks -- Bishop Ranch in San Ramon is unexpectedly lovely -- but they're rarely known for their vibrant cafés, restaurants and nightlife.

x0x0 7y ago
Do you ride Bart? You're going from a local commute to bart -> walking to the office, to a local commute to bart -> going to a station that is skipped by 3/4 of bart lines (ie requires an xfer for Antioch, Pleasanton, or Fremont) -> a shitty bus. NB: Bart is ass and generally is too incompetent to align train and bus schedules. This adds probably at least 45 minutes each way for anyone coming from SF or East Bay locations and using public transit. It's an enormous downgrade.
- jdavis703 7y ago
  Before claiming incompetence consider there are at least 23 different transit agencies in the Bay Area BART has to coordinate with. Yes, we need a system that integrates seamlessly (I personally feel it, I ride BART from Oakland to Caltrain in Mountain View 10-12 times a week). But blaming BART alone for this problem misses the root cause: fragmented transit operators. We need a lead or unified agency like the MTA in NYC or WMATA in DC.
- inferiorhuman 7y ago
  Do you ride Bart? How do you think most East Bay commuters are getting to San Francisco?
  - wbronitsky 7y ago
    This isn't a very helpful argument. I live in Oakland and commute to San Francisco and rarely take Bart because there are many other options that don't involve me breathing directly from someone else's exhalation like we all are forced to on Bart. Personally, I take casual carpool, https://sfcasualcarpool.com/ https://sfcasualcarpool.com/, to work and a transbay bus home. Total cost is $6.50/day, which is cheaper than commuting by Bart, and because I live 30 mins walking from Bart, it is also much faster.
    - inferiorhuman 7y ago
      Yeah I couldn't give you stats on how many people do that commute via car, but bus vs BART is a no brainer. A 10-car BART train can hold about 1,000 people. Bus service can't scale like that (especially not on shared right of ways) which would definitely put you in the minority. South city may as well be the middle of nowhere transit-wise but the difference between taking BART to Market St vs SSF isn't all that big.
      - x0x0 7y ago
        it's 19 minutes each way if you ride the train, and roughly 30 minutes each way if you require a transfer. Plus more waiting time heading north due to worse service intervals. I'm struggling to figure out how a one hour increase in commute time isn't a big deal. Without even discussing the local bus.

jdavis703 7y ago

I commute by public transit from Oakland to Mountain View every day, so claiming elimination is a bit extreme.

dehrmann 7y ago
Sorry, but that's a brutal commute, and I spent 5+ years commuting from Mountain View to SF...by car.

djur 7y ago

Doesn't Stripe have remote workers?

m-ee 7y ago

Anyone in west Oakland or Alameda will actually have a fantastic commute, the new office is steps away from the ferry which is by far the best way to commute in the bay. They'll need to step up service though, earlier boats are already pretty full.