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I think it's no question that psychedelics are mind opening. But maybe a psychosis is something that happens to an open mind too. Personally I explained some mi

by h43z 7y ago

I think it's no question that psychedelics are mind opening. But maybe a psychosis is something that happens to an open mind too. Personally I explained some mildly strange visual effects/thoughts (long after my acid trips) to the fact that I know what's possible to happen with my mind and my mind knows it too. And only for that reason that weird place is just a another new option now. If I wouldn't have experienced them, my mind may never come up with them.

scottlocklin 7y ago
>I think it's no question that psychedelics are mind opening. Having used more than my share: there's plenty of question that psychedelics are mind opening. Just because something feels profound doesn't mean it is. People in the 1800s used to think nitrous and ether sniffing was profound. You'd think after all these years of people experiencing profundity there would be some great work of art or philosophy that people are able to take back to reality from their drug experiences, but as far as I can tell it's just burn out "trippin balls" stories, people losing their minds in various unedifying ways, and weirdos like Kerry Mullis talking to aliens.
- h43z 7y ago
  Isn't there some great deal of art coming from psychedelic experiences. Many bands of the sixties and seventies or art of Alex Grey. Shamans had an very important role in groups and tribes for a long time. Religious revelations could have been results of altered states of consciousness (eg moses 10 commandments). On a more personal and emotional note I always had the feeling when tripping of great profundity but being unable to take the wisdom to the other side. I guess I would make be a bad shaman.
  - scottlocklin 7y ago
    Yeah, that's kind of my point. Alex Gray and Deep Purple aren't exactly Vermeer and Mozart. If psychedelics are all that profound, rather than just a drug producing chemical simulacrums of profundity, you'd have better examples than these.
    - h43z 7y ago
      Aren't they in a way the Mozarts of their time? I'm not sure what you expect and demand of psychedelics. When will be something profound enough for you? For many it was and is.
      - scottlocklin 7y ago
        >Aren't they in a way the Mozarts of their time? Absolutely not. Avro Part and György Ligeti are the Mozarts of their time. And they were very, very far from being Mozart. I expect and demand that drugs which people tout as some amazing breakthrough in human consciousness demonstrate something beyond "I thought it was cool." If something you can buy for $4 in pill form really creates higher states of consciousness, and the words "higher states of consciousness" actually means something, you'd expect there to be 1000 Mozarts by now, rather than ... dipshits saying Iron Butterfly's drum solo is, like, totally cool man.
        h43z 7y ago
        It's all very subjective what you state.

by h43z 7y ago

scottlocklin 7y ago

>I think it's no question that psychedelics are mind opening. Having used more than my share: there's plenty of question that psychedelics are mind opening. Just because something feels profound doesn't mean it is. People in the 1800s used to think nitrous and ether sniffing was profound. You'd think after all these years of people experiencing profundity there would be some great work of art or philosophy that people are able to take back to reality from their drug experiences, but as far as I can tell it's just burn out "trippin balls" stories, people losing their minds in various unedifying ways, and weirdos like Kerry Mullis talking to aliens.

h43z 7y ago
Isn't there some great deal of art coming from psychedelic experiences. Many bands of the sixties and seventies or art of Alex Grey. Shamans had an very important role in groups and tribes for a long time. Religious revelations could have been results of altered states of consciousness (eg moses 10 commandments). On a more personal and emotional note I always had the feeling when tripping of great profundity but being unable to take the wisdom to the other side. I guess I would make be a bad shaman.
- scottlocklin 7y ago
  Yeah, that's kind of my point. Alex Gray and Deep Purple aren't exactly Vermeer and Mozart. If psychedelics are all that profound, rather than just a drug producing chemical simulacrums of profundity, you'd have better examples than these.
  - h43z 7y ago
    Aren't they in a way the Mozarts of their time? I'm not sure what you expect and demand of psychedelics. When will be something profound enough for you? For many it was and is.
    - scottlocklin 7y ago
      >Aren't they in a way the Mozarts of their time? Absolutely not. Avro Part and György Ligeti are the Mozarts of their time. And they were very, very far from being Mozart. I expect and demand that drugs which people tout as some amazing breakthrough in human consciousness demonstrate something beyond "I thought it was cool." If something you can buy for $4 in pill form really creates higher states of consciousness, and the words "higher states of consciousness" actually means something, you'd expect there to be 1000 Mozarts by now, rather than ... dipshits saying Iron Butterfly's drum solo is, like, totally cool man.
      - h43z 7y ago
        It's all very subjective what you state.