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in most cases, and certainly within the context of online discussions, moderation is explicitly censorship.

unethical_ban 7y ago
Sigh. Where is this armchair analysis coming from? Are you American? If so, do you understand the 1st amendment and what it protects? It doesn't protect me saying "I'm going to kill you tonight, in your house, get ready" or "Hey everyone, there is a fire in the room!" when there isn't. Not all verbal speech is speech. Not all removal of content is censorship, in the context of free speech. https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-re...
- kodablah 7y ago
  Censorship has more contexts than just government-protected free public speech. Maybe this doesn't fit the definition of censorship under the context you are framing the term, but it definitely does under other contexts of the term.
  - unethical_ban 7y ago
    Considering this entire discussion is about the censorship/moderation of content with the intent to suppress political speech, I think it is important to be clear. Also, most people don't use the term "censorship" when they talk about moderating forums. It is as radical as saying "taxation = theft".
- stale2002 7y ago
  Nobody said anything about the 1st amendment. Instead, the topic is censorship. Censorship does not need to have anything to do with the 1st amendment.
- ameister14 7y ago
  The fire in crowded theatre comment is kind of a tell that you dont actually know what the history of is and limits are on free speech in the US. It was a comment from the 1920s prior to the dismantling of restrictions on free speech over the next 90 years of court rulings. Plus it may actually be protected speech.
  - unethical_ban 7y ago
    Literally from the link I posted, a federal government website: Freedom of speech does not include the right: To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “[S]hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”). Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919). So at least your last sentence is rubbage.
    - erik_seaberg 7y ago
      “Shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” was a metaphor for protesting the draft during WWI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States
    - ameister14 7y ago
      That might be a federal website but it was never prevailing supreme court opinion, even when the judge wrote it.

Sigh. Where is this armchair analysis coming from? Are you American? If so, do you understand the 1st amendment and what it protects? It doesn't protect me saying "I'm going to kill you tonight, in your house, get ready" or "Hey everyone, there is a fire in the room!" when there isn't. Not all verbal speech is speech. Not all removal of content is censorship, in the context of free speech. https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-re...

kodablah 7y ago
Censorship has more contexts than just government-protected free public speech. Maybe this doesn't fit the definition of censorship under the context you are framing the term, but it definitely does under other contexts of the term.
- unethical_ban 7y ago
  Considering this entire discussion is about the censorship/moderation of content with the intent to suppress political speech, I think it is important to be clear. Also, most people don't use the term "censorship" when they talk about moderating forums. It is as radical as saying "taxation = theft".
stale2002 7y ago
Nobody said anything about the 1st amendment. Instead, the topic is censorship. Censorship does not need to have anything to do with the 1st amendment.
ameister14 7y ago
The fire in crowded theatre comment is kind of a tell that you dont actually know what the history of is and limits are on free speech in the US. It was a comment from the 1920s prior to the dismantling of restrictions on free speech over the next 90 years of court rulings. Plus it may actually be protected speech.
- unethical_ban 7y ago
  Literally from the link I posted, a federal government website: Freedom of speech does not include the right: To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “[S]hout[ing] ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”). Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919). So at least your last sentence is rubbage.
  - erik_seaberg 7y ago
    “Shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” was a metaphor for protesting the draft during WWI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States
  - ameister14 7y ago
    That might be a federal website but it was never prevailing supreme court opinion, even when the judge wrote it.