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From what I can tell, if you read purely on rhetoric, it isn't contradictory- it states moderation is essential to ensure safety from harassment but that modera

From what I can tell, if you read purely on rhetoric, it isn't contradictory- it states moderation is essential to ensure safety from harassment but that moderation should not be used for speaking about personal experiences. For example, it is essential for moderators to prevent "I am going to find where you live and hurt you" but to allow "I feel threatened".

grawprog 7y ago
What if my personal experiences are attending klan or nazi rallies, protests against lgbt people, what if I live in a country where it's ok to domestically abuse my spouse and that's my experience? Maybe I live in a place where it's encouraged to round up and beat minorities or gay people. Not being threatening or harassing, where would personal experiences like that fall under? I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but that's the point about the vagueness, it leads to ridiculous interpretations that will end up still being selectively moderated in the end. Clearly stating what is and is acceptable on a platform and following it consistently removes that ambiguity and doesn't leave it up to arbitrary feelings to decide.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  There's plenty of such experience to go around: http://www.unz.com/gnxp/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-no-rapin/ http://www.unz.com/gnxp/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-no-r... > The statistics are pretty straightforward, and some are outlined in the article. This is a robust and replicated dynamic in Scandinavia; people of “migrant background” are over-represented in rape statistics. It’s an open secret, in that when push come to shove the authorities tend to make excuses rather than lying about it. > Migrants themselves can often be quite frank and astute observers of cross-cultural differences: >> “Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” Mr. Kelifa said, explaining that in his own country, Eritrea, “if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished,” at least not by the police. It is my understanding that people are generally discouraged from offering these personal experiences, for fear of likely public reaction, regardless of how illuminating they may be.

grawprog 7y ago

What if my personal experiences are attending klan or nazi rallies, protests against lgbt people, what if I live in a country where it's ok to domestically abuse my spouse and that's my experience? Maybe I live in a place where it's encouraged to round up and beat minorities or gay people. Not being threatening or harassing, where would personal experiences like that fall under? I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but that's the point about the vagueness, it leads to ridiculous interpretations that will end up still being selectively moderated in the end. Clearly stating what is and is acceptable on a platform and following it consistently removes that ambiguity and doesn't leave it up to arbitrary feelings to decide.

thaumasiotes 7y ago
There's plenty of such experience to go around: http://www.unz.com/gnxp/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-no-rapin/ http://www.unz.com/gnxp/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-no-r... > The statistics are pretty straightforward, and some are outlined in the article. This is a robust and replicated dynamic in Scandinavia; people of “migrant background” are over-represented in rape statistics. It’s an open secret, in that when push come to shove the authorities tend to make excuses rather than lying about it. > Migrants themselves can often be quite frank and astute observers of cross-cultural differences: >> “Men have weaknesses and when they see someone smiling it is difficult to control,” Mr. Kelifa said, explaining that in his own country, Eritrea, “if someone wants a lady he can just take her and he will not be punished,” at least not by the police. It is my understanding that people are generally discouraged from offering these personal experiences, for fear of likely public reaction, regardless of how illuminating they may be.