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But make no mistake about it, Intel has a fat wallet and will use it against AMD ( as confirmed in some leaked presentation ) Big discounts, kickbacks, "deals"

But make no mistake about it, Intel has a fat wallet and will use it against AMD ( as confirmed in some leaked presentation ) Big discounts, kickbacks, "deals" and "programs" are being deployed and more on the way.

ultraism 7y ago
To put some perspective on this, Intel's Marketing, general and administrative costs in 2018 were 6.7 billion[0] whereas AMD's net revenue was 6.4 billion[1]. [0] https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_financials/2018/Annual/Intel-2018-Annual-Report_INTC.pdf https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_financials/2018/An... [1] http://ir.amd.com/static-files/438f4934-2883-4c85-9193-d5218465c096 http://ir.amd.com/static-files/438f4934-2883-4c85-9193-d5218...
- flukus 7y ago
  And as a potential customer it's important to remember that you're the one paying that $6.7 billion.
  - p1necone 7y ago
    I'm reminded of that any time I see cheap products with slick marketing (mostly fast food) - you have to assume they're cutting corners in their actual product to pay for all that graphic design and video editing.
    - dpark 7y ago
      Or their revenue and income are so massive that taking a bit from it for advertising is a drop in the bucket. Intel has revenue of nearly 71 billion/year vs AMD at 6.5 billion.
      - alimbada 7y ago
        That may be true, but despite that they still cut corners. See Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities and the impact to the performance of Intel CPUs once mitigated. In fact, Intel recommended disabling HyperThreading if you want to be completely protected from the vulnerabilities.
m-p-3 7y ago
And I hope some anonymous whistleblowers within Dell will do the right thing and expose the practice.
- late2part 7y ago
  Expose what practice? 'Big discounts, kickbacks, "deals" and "programs" are being deployed and more on the way.' are generally perfectly legal.
  - latch 7y ago
    > Expose what practice? The practices that have resulted in Intel being sued/settling/fined by companies/states/FTC/EU/Japan.
late2part 7y ago
Sort of. Maybe. But as an moderately large Intel customer, I assure you they are very afraid of any accusations of unfair practices or anti-trust behavior, so they are somewhat crippled in their ability to fight with money.

ultraism 7y ago

To put some perspective on this, Intel's Marketing, general and administrative costs in 2018 were 6.7 billion[0] whereas AMD's net revenue was 6.4 billion[1]. [0] https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_financials/2018/Annual/Intel-2018-Annual-Report_INTC.pdf https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_financials/2018/An... [1] http://ir.amd.com/static-files/438f4934-2883-4c85-9193-d5218465c096 http://ir.amd.com/static-files/438f4934-2883-4c85-9193-d5218...

flukus 7y ago
And as a potential customer it's important to remember that you're the one paying that $6.7 billion.
- p1necone 7y ago
  I'm reminded of that any time I see cheap products with slick marketing (mostly fast food) - you have to assume they're cutting corners in their actual product to pay for all that graphic design and video editing.
  - dpark 7y ago
    Or their revenue and income are so massive that taking a bit from it for advertising is a drop in the bucket. Intel has revenue of nearly 71 billion/year vs AMD at 6.5 billion.
    - alimbada 7y ago
      That may be true, but despite that they still cut corners. See Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities and the impact to the performance of Intel CPUs once mitigated. In fact, Intel recommended disabling HyperThreading if you want to be completely protected from the vulnerabilities.

m-p-3 7y ago

And I hope some anonymous whistleblowers within Dell will do the right thing and expose the practice.

late2part 7y ago
Expose what practice? 'Big discounts, kickbacks, "deals" and "programs" are being deployed and more on the way.' are generally perfectly legal.
- latch 7y ago
  > Expose what practice? The practices that have resulted in Intel being sued/settling/fined by companies/states/FTC/EU/Japan.

late2part 7y ago

Sort of. Maybe. But as an moderately large Intel customer, I assure you they are very afraid of any accusations of unfair practices or anti-trust behavior, so they are somewhat crippled in their ability to fight with money.