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I'm planning to buy a new car in two years, and I'm really excited about the possibilities of electric cars then. What I really want is a mid-sized hatchback, w

by beat 7y ago

I'm planning to buy a new car in two years, and I'm really excited about the possibilities of electric cars then. What I really want is a mid-sized hatchback, with interior form similar to my current Subaru Forester (and a zillion other similar light-duty quasi-SUVs). It's such a popular form factor, and Tesla isn't there on it.

sremani 7y ago
The unfortunately truth is many of the Electric Vehicles centered sites in US are Tesla fan sites more or less. If EVs have to truly succeed they have to be coming from more than one brand. - Mitsubishi Outland PHEV - Hyundai Ionic series - Chevy BoltEV Lincoln Aviator PHEV, Prosche Cayenne Hybrid covering luxury SUV segment. There are tons of EVs and PHEVs out there which pretty much cover a large swath of vehicle size already. The problem is these sites that are supposed to promote Electric Drive train jerk-off weeks on Tesla rumors and Elons tweets.
- geerlingguy 7y ago
  Hybrids are ‘meh’ to me. A ton of EV advantages are dismissed or tossed out the window once you mix in a gas engine.
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  - steelframe 7y ago
    I went from two BEVs to a BEV and a PHEV. One day while I was waiting for the 6th time that day at a glacial refueling rate of "20 miles of range in 5 minutes" with my BEV on a road trip from Seattle to Salt Lake City, I realized that what I value from a plug-in battery is the "full tank" every morning when I pull out of my garage. What I value from gas is the "400 miles of range in 5 minutes" when on a road trip. Suddenly it became abundantly clear that a PHEV was the only thing that made sense for me for a car I use on occasional road trips.
- r00fus 7y ago
  So it's Tesla's fault they're so far ahead? We kept being told that Tesla's lunch was going to get eaten by the "big boys" but that's been 8 years coming and we're still... waiting. Disclosure: I own a non-Tesla EV.
- kmonsen 7y ago
  Don't forget Kia, and for Hyundai I think Kona is more important than Ionic. I have the Kia EV, and I don't love it, but I really like it. For the price it is great.
  - p1mrx 7y ago
    The Kia Niro & Hyundai Kona are the top-rated EVs on Consumer Reports right now. The main problem is their relatively-limited availability.
notatoad 7y ago
>light-duty quasi-SUVs is that not exactly the niche that the Model X is trying to serve?
- gambiting 7y ago
  Model X is idiotically expensive. It costs as much as a fully specced out Range Rover, and that's silly amount of money.
geerlingguy 7y ago
Is that the form factor the model Y is supposed to fill?
dv_dt 7y ago
I recently moved from a Subaru Forester to a Kia Niro plug-in and they’ve since offered a Niro EV too. It’s been surprisingly nice. Right now they’re obviously offering them at low volume to dip their toes in the water, but in two years I think it will be a one of many good options.

by beat 7y ago

sremani 7y ago

The unfortunately truth is many of the Electric Vehicles centered sites in US are Tesla fan sites more or less. If EVs have to truly succeed they have to be coming from more than one brand. - Mitsubishi Outland PHEV - Hyundai Ionic series - Chevy BoltEV Lincoln Aviator PHEV, Prosche Cayenne Hybrid covering luxury SUV segment. There are tons of EVs and PHEVs out there which pretty much cover a large swath of vehicle size already. The problem is these sites that are supposed to promote Electric Drive train jerk-off weeks on Tesla rumors and Elons tweets.

geerlingguy 7y ago
Hybrids are ‘meh’ to me. A ton of EV advantages are dismissed or tossed out the window once you mix in a gas engine.
- deleted 7y ago
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- steelframe 7y ago
  I went from two BEVs to a BEV and a PHEV. One day while I was waiting for the 6th time that day at a glacial refueling rate of "20 miles of range in 5 minutes" with my BEV on a road trip from Seattle to Salt Lake City, I realized that what I value from a plug-in battery is the "full tank" every morning when I pull out of my garage. What I value from gas is the "400 miles of range in 5 minutes" when on a road trip. Suddenly it became abundantly clear that a PHEV was the only thing that made sense for me for a car I use on occasional road trips.
r00fus 7y ago
So it's Tesla's fault they're so far ahead? We kept being told that Tesla's lunch was going to get eaten by the "big boys" but that's been 8 years coming and we're still... waiting. Disclosure: I own a non-Tesla EV.
kmonsen 7y ago
Don't forget Kia, and for Hyundai I think Kona is more important than Ionic. I have the Kia EV, and I don't love it, but I really like it. For the price it is great.
- p1mrx 7y ago
  The Kia Niro & Hyundai Kona are the top-rated EVs on Consumer Reports right now. The main problem is their relatively-limited availability.

notatoad 7y ago

>light-duty quasi-SUVs is that not exactly the niche that the Model X is trying to serve?

gambiting 7y ago
Model X is idiotically expensive. It costs as much as a fully specced out Range Rover, and that's silly amount of money.

geerlingguy 7y ago

Is that the form factor the model Y is supposed to fill?

dv_dt 7y ago

I recently moved from a Subaru Forester to a Kia Niro plug-in and they’ve since offered a Niro EV too. It’s been surprisingly nice. Right now they’re obviously offering them at low volume to dip their toes in the water, but in two years I think it will be a one of many good options.