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> I disagree. It's pretty clear that if you're outside the secure area through which those who arrive by aircraft are herded, it's not at all tricky. This did

> I disagree. It's pretty clear that if you're outside the secure area through which those who arrive by aircraft are herded, it's not at all tricky. This did not take place at an Airport, but rather, a Canadian/US border patrol station where according to someone else in this thread, a bus stop for border crossing exists. It seems entirely reasonable to me that those agents are more vigilant against "I totally forgot my ID at home".

EliRivers 7y ago
So it did. I maintain that simply being at a border crossing should not be grounds for detaining, but I do recognise that while a competent border crossing would make it impossible for someone to simply walk into the sterile "crossing zone" (and in airports such zones are usually pretty solid), this is not exactly a department known for competency. Edit: Now that I consider it, it would seem really incompetent to just not notice which direction someone came from. This would allow people to cross the border all day with impunity. Pure speculation, but I bet they knew exactly which way he came from; they just felt like hassling some muslim looking guy without ID because they could (although I recognise that in the US, carrying a driving license everywhere seems to be a weird cultural phenomenon).
- rayiner 7y ago
  Peace Bridge gets millions of crossing per year, tens of thousands per day. Your speculation that they kept track of what direction someone was coming from, and just did this to hassle a “Muslim looking guy” (what does that even mean?) is totally ridiculous.
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  - EliRivers 7y ago
    If they don't keep track of which direction people come from, and that person doesn't have any paperwork, how do they know which side to tell them to go back to? What's stopping someone crossing from Canada saying "Oh, sorry, left my ID at home, I'll go back and get it, from my home, in the US, where I just came from" and then just continue into the US? “Muslim looking guy” (what does that even mean?) You don't have to agree with it to know what a "muslim looking guy" means. It means "someone whose looks Arabic or Persian, possibly with a beard". That's what it means. It's wrong, and it's prejudical, and in a strictly literal sense the words are inherently nonsensical, but that's what it means. I think you knew that already and for some passive-aggressive reason you're pretending you didn't.
- Qwertystop 7y ago
  > (although I recognise that in the US, carrying a driving license everywhere seems to be a weird cultural phenomenon). Perhaps less "weird cultural phenomenon" and more "it's about the same size as a credit card", plus "it's probably the only broadly accepted government-issued ID you've got, so there's a variety of things things you might need it for, some of which you might not expect when you leave the house", resulting in "just leave it in your wallet or your handbag or wherever you carry such things". If you're already generally leaving it with all the other miscellany you carry by default, it'd be more effort and more risk to take it out whenever you don't think you'd need it than to just leave it in your wallet/bag. If you're going to buy something, generally you'd have your wallet. How do you handle such things, then? Honestly curious.
  - EliRivers 7y ago
    I genuinely cannot remember the last time I needed to produce ID that didn't involve travelling to another country, so I just don't carry any. I live in the UK; there is (as the US) no government ID card, as there is in many other European countries. My wallet is quite small, I will say; I just have a rubber band around a couple of credit cards and potentially some folded banknotes, so I don't carry general "miscellany". I may be an outlier; if I'm going out to the shops or the gym or some such, I'll also leave my phone at home.
    - Qwertystop 7y ago
      Fair enough. For me (in the US), I have a driver's license but don't own a car, I don't need ID often, but if I leave it in my wallet, there's a much smaller chance that I'll forget it when I do need it (e.g. picking up a prescription at the pharmacy)

EliRivers 7y ago

So it did. I maintain that simply being at a border crossing should not be grounds for detaining, but I do recognise that while a competent border crossing would make it impossible for someone to simply walk into the sterile "crossing zone" (and in airports such zones are usually pretty solid), this is not exactly a department known for competency. Edit: Now that I consider it, it would seem really incompetent to just not notice which direction someone came from. This would allow people to cross the border all day with impunity. Pure speculation, but I bet they knew exactly which way he came from; they just felt like hassling some muslim looking guy without ID because they could (although I recognise that in the US, carrying a driving license everywhere seems to be a weird cultural phenomenon).

rayiner 7y ago
Peace Bridge gets millions of crossing per year, tens of thousands per day. Your speculation that they kept track of what direction someone was coming from, and just did this to hassle a “Muslim looking guy” (what does that even mean?) is totally ridiculous.
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- EliRivers 7y ago
  If they don't keep track of which direction people come from, and that person doesn't have any paperwork, how do they know which side to tell them to go back to? What's stopping someone crossing from Canada saying "Oh, sorry, left my ID at home, I'll go back and get it, from my home, in the US, where I just came from" and then just continue into the US? “Muslim looking guy” (what does that even mean?) You don't have to agree with it to know what a "muslim looking guy" means. It means "someone whose looks Arabic or Persian, possibly with a beard". That's what it means. It's wrong, and it's prejudical, and in a strictly literal sense the words are inherently nonsensical, but that's what it means. I think you knew that already and for some passive-aggressive reason you're pretending you didn't.
Qwertystop 7y ago
> (although I recognise that in the US, carrying a driving license everywhere seems to be a weird cultural phenomenon). Perhaps less "weird cultural phenomenon" and more "it's about the same size as a credit card", plus "it's probably the only broadly accepted government-issued ID you've got, so there's a variety of things things you might need it for, some of which you might not expect when you leave the house", resulting in "just leave it in your wallet or your handbag or wherever you carry such things". If you're already generally leaving it with all the other miscellany you carry by default, it'd be more effort and more risk to take it out whenever you don't think you'd need it than to just leave it in your wallet/bag. If you're going to buy something, generally you'd have your wallet. How do you handle such things, then? Honestly curious.
- EliRivers 7y ago
  I genuinely cannot remember the last time I needed to produce ID that didn't involve travelling to another country, so I just don't carry any. I live in the UK; there is (as the US) no government ID card, as there is in many other European countries. My wallet is quite small, I will say; I just have a rubber band around a couple of credit cards and potentially some folded banknotes, so I don't carry general "miscellany". I may be an outlier; if I'm going out to the shops or the gym or some such, I'll also leave my phone at home.
  - Qwertystop 7y ago
    Fair enough. For me (in the US), I have a driver's license but don't own a car, I don't need ID often, but if I leave it in my wallet, there's a much smaller chance that I'll forget it when I do need it (e.g. picking up a prescription at the pharmacy)