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>Beyond advocating for data-exports, we should advocate that users have the right to delegate data-access through APIs to third-parties. IMO we should first an

>Beyond advocating for data-exports, we should advocate that users have the right to delegate data-access through APIs to third-parties. IMO we should first and foremost be advocating for the right to have our data destroyed.

bilbo0s 7y ago
I agree. But this is the government, they are definitely going to be loathe to accede to that request. This is a "take what we can get" type of step.
tlb 7y ago
Someone will write an app that uses a delegation API to destroy your data. Possibly including better or more nuanced ways than simply deleting your account, like removing all pictures of yourself smoking or wearing a beret.
dependenttypes 7y ago
The concept of data ownership is a very anti-freedom/pro-copyright concept.
- jonfw 7y ago
  With such a shallow view of freedom, physical property ownership is a very anti-freedom concept as well, is it not? Ownership of a house is an infringement on the freedoms of other poeple who want to live there? Intellectual property is no different than any other sort of property. The right to own property is invaluable, and serves the purpose of maximizing freedoms in the long run.
  - concordDance 7y ago
    > Intellectual property is no different than any other sort of property. Is this rhetorical or literal?
  - the8472 7y ago
    Ill-gotten goods can be confiscated. The same for knowledge would involve lobotomies. Would you please hold still for a moment?
    - jonfw 7y ago
      Knowledge != intellectual property
  - dependenttypes 7y ago
    > physical property ownership is a very anti-freedom concept as well, is it not? I am sure that some here would agree with that. I personally do not. > Intellectual property is no different than any other sort of property This is a very extreme view. You are basically saying that specific numbers can be owned by someone. > and serves the purpose of maximizing freedoms in the long run I can't see how this is the case, at least as long as intellectual property is concerned.
npo9 7y ago
Don’t we have this right for a large portion of the population? GDPR and CCPA both include “the right to be forgotten.” Many companies will honor GDPR delete requests for non-eu users. CCPA includes a programmatic delete option and I’m sure the most common decision will be to allow it for all users not just California users.

bilbo0s 7y ago

I agree. But this is the government, they are definitely going to be loathe to accede to that request. This is a "take what we can get" type of step.

tlb 7y ago

Someone will write an app that uses a delegation API to destroy your data. Possibly including better or more nuanced ways than simply deleting your account, like removing all pictures of yourself smoking or wearing a beret.

dependenttypes 7y ago

The concept of data ownership is a very anti-freedom/pro-copyright concept.

jonfw 7y ago
With such a shallow view of freedom, physical property ownership is a very anti-freedom concept as well, is it not? Ownership of a house is an infringement on the freedoms of other poeple who want to live there? Intellectual property is no different than any other sort of property. The right to own property is invaluable, and serves the purpose of maximizing freedoms in the long run.
- concordDance 7y ago
  > Intellectual property is no different than any other sort of property. Is this rhetorical or literal?
- the8472 7y ago
  Ill-gotten goods can be confiscated. The same for knowledge would involve lobotomies. Would you please hold still for a moment?
  - jonfw 7y ago
    Knowledge != intellectual property
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > physical property ownership is a very anti-freedom concept as well, is it not? I am sure that some here would agree with that. I personally do not. > Intellectual property is no different than any other sort of property This is a very extreme view. You are basically saying that specific numbers can be owned by someone. > and serves the purpose of maximizing freedoms in the long run I can't see how this is the case, at least as long as intellectual property is concerned.

npo9 7y ago

Don’t we have this right for a large portion of the population? GDPR and CCPA both include “the right to be forgotten.” Many companies will honor GDPR delete requests for non-eu users. CCPA includes a programmatic delete option and I’m sure the most common decision will be to allow it for all users not just California users.