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I side on this issue with MS. He even brings this up in the talk, mentioning Dreamcast. How it died early on, because of piracy - developers didn't want to pr

I side on this issue with MS. He even brings this up in the talk, mentioning Dreamcast. How it died early on, because of piracy - developers didn't want to produce games for dreamcast - so no one bought console because no one made games for it. Its a vicious cycle that cannot be stopped otherwise.

realusername 7y ago
There's plenty of counter points to that, Nintendo hardware is generally busted wide open pretty early. There's a very active Switch homebrew community right now and even very advanced emulators already capable of running commercial titles. It seems that it did not affect in any way the console commercially.
moviuro 7y ago
I didn't quite understand how Dreamcast died. Recent studies and company show that piracy isn't that much of an issue. The real added value is the confidence you can have that the player can't cheat - which is good for online competitive games. The Dreamcast was killed because of the PS2, according to Wikipedia (but I'm not knowledgeable about the issue). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Projekt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Projekt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com https://www.mcvuk.com/no-evidence-that-piracy-affects-video-game-sales-eu-commission/ https://www.mcvuk.com/no-evidence-that-piracy-affects-video-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast
toast0 7y ago
The Dreamcast did have a short life, and was subject to simple piracy. However, there may not be a causal relationship there. Sega had a tricky financial situation and consumer trust issues because of their last 1.5 platforms (Saturn and 32X). EA did not support the platform because Sega wouldn't give them an exclusive license for sports games. The Playstation 2 had an unbelievably huge hype train before release. The cord for the controller came out of the wrong side. The economy was getting weird. If piracy was a big issue, I think Sega would have sold more hardware, and the software sales would have been low, but Wikipedia says the hardware sales were low, and the software sold 8-1 with consoles.
- Grazester 7y ago
  Everything you said here is correct. Sega with the previous generation consoles burn consumer and developers alike. People were reluctant to buy the Dreamcast, PS2 hyper machine was also making exaggerated claims about the PS2 when magazines interviewed random people at EB Games and baggage the all said the would wait for the PS2. Someone did an in depth analysis of the Dreamcast sales as related to piracy. If piracy was such an issue then sales of the console itself should have increased because people were buying the console and not game but this was not the case. Console sales never increased. People who claim the Dreamcast die due to piracy simply do not know SEGA's history

realusername 7y ago

There's plenty of counter points to that, Nintendo hardware is generally busted wide open pretty early. There's a very active Switch homebrew community right now and even very advanced emulators already capable of running commercial titles. It seems that it did not affect in any way the console commercially.

moviuro 7y ago

I didn't quite understand how Dreamcast died. Recent studies and company show that piracy isn't that much of an issue. The real added value is the confidence you can have that the player can't cheat - which is good for online competitive games. The Dreamcast was killed because of the PS2, according to Wikipedia (but I'm not knowledgeable about the issue). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Projekt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Projekt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOG.com https://www.mcvuk.com/no-evidence-that-piracy-affects-video-game-sales-eu-commission/ https://www.mcvuk.com/no-evidence-that-piracy-affects-video-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcast

toast0 7y ago

The Dreamcast did have a short life, and was subject to simple piracy. However, there may not be a causal relationship there. Sega had a tricky financial situation and consumer trust issues because of their last 1.5 platforms (Saturn and 32X). EA did not support the platform because Sega wouldn't give them an exclusive license for sports games. The Playstation 2 had an unbelievably huge hype train before release. The cord for the controller came out of the wrong side. The economy was getting weird. If piracy was a big issue, I think Sega would have sold more hardware, and the software sales would have been low, but Wikipedia says the hardware sales were low, and the software sold 8-1 with consoles.

Grazester 7y ago
Everything you said here is correct. Sega with the previous generation consoles burn consumer and developers alike. People were reluctant to buy the Dreamcast, PS2 hyper machine was also making exaggerated claims about the PS2 when magazines interviewed random people at EB Games and baggage the all said the would wait for the PS2. Someone did an in depth analysis of the Dreamcast sales as related to piracy. If piracy was such an issue then sales of the console itself should have increased because people were buying the console and not game but this was not the case. Console sales never increased. People who claim the Dreamcast die due to piracy simply do not know SEGA's history