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Love - revealed to us that our constitutional rights were being absolutely trampled to death. Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security

Love - revealed to us that our constitutional rights were being absolutely trampled to death. Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments.

Miner49er 7y ago
> Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. He worked with journalists in order to avoid this. He gave the government a head's up before the press released anything everytime they released something new. What more do you think he should have done?
- dx87 7y ago
  If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower, he should have only leaked the specific things that he took issue with, not grab anything he could get his hands on and give it out. For example, there's no good reason for him to give documents to China that tell them which Chinese computers NSA has access to [0]. This myth that he responsibly leaked information needs to die. [0] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1260306/edward-snowden-classified-us-data-shows-hong-kong-hacking-targets https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1260306/edward-s...
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    You're completely misrepresenting this. He didn't give them any documents, he didn't tell them all the computers, he only _showed_ them a sample of them. They were also only civilian computers. I think civilians all over the world had a right to know that they were being spied on by the U.S. government. What difference does it make if a person is a U.S. citizen or a Hong Kong citizen? Human rights are human rights.
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      Why did he even take those documents? They showed mainland Chinese targets that would have access to classified Chinese information. Of course the US would want to hack those.
    - meowface 7y ago
      Every other government, including the Chinese, are spying on US civilians as well. And in this case, it seems like the Chinese civilians were the kinds of civilians any other country would be spying on as well. I haven't seen a convincing argument for Snowden or others as to why he took documents unrelated to domestic spying. If he had only whistleblew the domestic stuff, I bet a lot more politicians would be open to pardoning him.
      - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        If a Russian citizen published documents proving that the Russian government was extensively spying on Americans, I doubt you would condemn the leaker. I wouldn't.
        meowface 7y ago
        If I were Russian, I probably would. As an American, I'd be indifferent to both the leaker and the spying activity.
  - bluntfang 7y ago
    >If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower... did you just no true scotsman whistleblowing?
    - hnarn 7y ago
      As if "being treated as a whistle blower" in a positive sense is even a thing.
- cooljacob204 7y ago
  Not release information on how we spy on other countries.
nickik 7y ago
> revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. How were those documents not still incredibly valuable and shed a lot of information on the functioning of the American Empire. US citizens should just be interested in their constitutional rights, but also in the absolute shit-show that is their foreign policy. Sadly those insights got mostly ignored, as the US really has no actual foreign policy debate anymore.
- mrlala 7y ago
  >but also in the absolute shit-show that is their foreign policy. And releasing this data to foreign governments (which some are also potential enemies) is the way to do it? Yeah, bravo...
aiyodev 7y ago
6 years later and nobody has been harmed. What's your problem?

Miner49er 7y ago

> Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. He worked with journalists in order to avoid this. He gave the government a head's up before the press released anything everytime they released something new. What more do you think he should have done?

dx87 7y ago
If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower, he should have only leaked the specific things that he took issue with, not grab anything he could get his hands on and give it out. For example, there's no good reason for him to give documents to China that tell them which Chinese computers NSA has access to [0]. This myth that he responsibly leaked information needs to die. [0] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1260306/edward-snowden-classified-us-data-shows-hong-kong-hacking-targets https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1260306/edward-s...
- Miner49er 7y ago
  You're completely misrepresenting this. He didn't give them any documents, he didn't tell them all the computers, he only _showed_ them a sample of them. They were also only civilian computers. I think civilians all over the world had a right to know that they were being spied on by the U.S. government. What difference does it make if a person is a U.S. citizen or a Hong Kong citizen? Human rights are human rights.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    Why did he even take those documents? They showed mainland Chinese targets that would have access to classified Chinese information. Of course the US would want to hack those.
  - meowface 7y ago
    Every other government, including the Chinese, are spying on US civilians as well. And in this case, it seems like the Chinese civilians were the kinds of civilians any other country would be spying on as well. I haven't seen a convincing argument for Snowden or others as to why he took documents unrelated to domestic spying. If he had only whistleblew the domestic stuff, I bet a lot more politicians would be open to pardoning him.
    - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
      If a Russian citizen published documents proving that the Russian government was extensively spying on Americans, I doubt you would condemn the leaker. I wouldn't.
      - meowface 7y ago
        If I were Russian, I probably would. As an American, I'd be indifferent to both the leaker and the spying activity.
- bluntfang 7y ago
  >If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower... did you just no true scotsman whistleblowing?
  - hnarn 7y ago
    As if "being treated as a whistle blower" in a positive sense is even a thing.
cooljacob204 7y ago
Not release information on how we spy on other countries.

nickik 7y ago

> revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. How were those documents not still incredibly valuable and shed a lot of information on the functioning of the American Empire. US citizens should just be interested in their constitutional rights, but also in the absolute shit-show that is their foreign policy. Sadly those insights got mostly ignored, as the US really has no actual foreign policy debate anymore.

mrlala 7y ago
>but also in the absolute shit-show that is their foreign policy. And releasing this data to foreign governments (which some are also potential enemies) is the way to do it? Yeah, bravo...

aiyodev 7y ago

6 years later and nobody has been harmed. What's your problem?