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You should see JRE#917, Steven doesn't really care about the whole marijuana issue and Joe completely bullies and flames him for like thirty minutes. That one

You should see JRE#917, Steven doesn't really care about the whole marijuana issue and Joe completely bullies and flames him for like thirty minutes. That one was not well-reasoned or patient, but other than that, I've found almost all of Joe's podcasts to be very good. He's definitely one of the greatest interviewers on the planet right now.

claudeganon 7y ago
Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.
- claudiawerner 7y ago
  Not to mention the fact that Crowder's own material tends to show how severely misinformed he is on some of the views he criticizes - in fact in that respect he's become somewhat of a meme in some circles.
- johnmorrison 7y ago
  I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas.
  - sagichmal 7y ago
    > I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas. This is possible only if those people you disagree with don't have power over you, and acceptable only if the disagreement isn't rooted in a denial of your essential humanity. Both of these conditions are privileges that not everyone enjoys.
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    - LMYahooTFY 7y ago
      > This is possible only if those people you disagree with don't have power over you This certainly must be false, or parenting wouldn't work. I've taken many, maybe even most lessons and ego checks from people more powerful than me.
    - yourbandsucks 7y ago
      What power does Crowder have over you? He's a joke. Consider: his viewpoint is a firing offense at FAANG while your viewpoint is constantly validated and endorsed. Who's got the power there? Of course Crowder is a terrible example to speak up for, but he definitely is not empowered.
  - claudeganon 7y ago
    Sorry, but I’ve lived enough of my adult life to know that I can tune out people who do mocking imitations of queer people on YouTube and be intellectually just fine.
    - drak0n1c 7y ago
      Crowder was harangued by Maza for years, Crowder responding by doing a mocking impression of the self-referential non sequiturs that Maza would proclaim amidst his criticisms seems like fair game and not homophobic. I don't see how it is any worse than when Crowder mocks Trump's braggadocios by imitating his common catchphrases. Such material is low comedy, for sure, but not cancel-worthy.
      - ssully 7y ago
        He was homophobic because he used homophobic slurs, not because he did a mocking impression (which is just childish, and is also a good reason to not take the guy seriously). The guy is a fucking joke.
        drak0n1c 7y ago
        The slurs in question were repeatedly and brazenly used by Maza in his past attacks on Crowder, and thus were part of the impression in Crowder's response. Context matters. Otherwise, if simply uttering or referencing homophobic slurs makes one a homophobe, regardless of context, then wouldn't Carlos Maza be a homophobe too?
        ssully 7y ago
        I don't follow Carlos's work, but looking at his twitter he is very openly gay, so I would find it very difficult to call him a homophobe. Also even outside of this one incident, the nicest way I would ever describe Crowder is a leach - I was shown his work by a family member (who thankfully doesn't watch his bullshit anymore) before this incident. The guy stirs up shit and offers no value; absolutely worthless.
  - mlurp 7y ago
    I agree with you in general, but there are much better people to do that with than Crowder. He doesn't seem like he's acting in good faith, and more generally, think about stuff very much. There are plenty of intelligent conservatives/whatever that don't do the stuff he does that's just intended to be offensive/get attention.
- ur-whale 7y ago
  Where does Crowder come in at all in this conversation?
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  - claudeganon 7y ago
    JRE #917, which the parent said to listen to, is an interview with Crowder.
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jack_pp 7y ago
He did apologize for that. His excuse was that he had a lot to drink and smoke. Also I think him being on good terms with the guests made him more comfortable with being an asshole
- saalweachter 7y ago
  That's not really an excuse for an adult person.

claudeganon 7y ago

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

claudiawerner 7y ago
Not to mention the fact that Crowder's own material tends to show how severely misinformed he is on some of the views he criticizes - in fact in that respect he's become somewhat of a meme in some circles.
johnmorrison 7y ago
I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas.
- sagichmal 7y ago
  > I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas. This is possible only if those people you disagree with don't have power over you, and acceptable only if the disagreement isn't rooted in a denial of your essential humanity. Both of these conditions are privileges that not everyone enjoys.
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  - LMYahooTFY 7y ago
    > This is possible only if those people you disagree with don't have power over you This certainly must be false, or parenting wouldn't work. I've taken many, maybe even most lessons and ego checks from people more powerful than me.
  - yourbandsucks 7y ago
    What power does Crowder have over you? He's a joke. Consider: his viewpoint is a firing offense at FAANG while your viewpoint is constantly validated and endorsed. Who's got the power there? Of course Crowder is a terrible example to speak up for, but he definitely is not empowered.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  Sorry, but I’ve lived enough of my adult life to know that I can tune out people who do mocking imitations of queer people on YouTube and be intellectually just fine.
  - drak0n1c 7y ago
    Crowder was harangued by Maza for years, Crowder responding by doing a mocking impression of the self-referential non sequiturs that Maza would proclaim amidst his criticisms seems like fair game and not homophobic. I don't see how it is any worse than when Crowder mocks Trump's braggadocios by imitating his common catchphrases. Such material is low comedy, for sure, but not cancel-worthy.
    - ssully 7y ago
      He was homophobic because he used homophobic slurs, not because he did a mocking impression (which is just childish, and is also a good reason to not take the guy seriously). The guy is a fucking joke.
      - drak0n1c 7y ago
        The slurs in question were repeatedly and brazenly used by Maza in his past attacks on Crowder, and thus were part of the impression in Crowder's response. Context matters. Otherwise, if simply uttering or referencing homophobic slurs makes one a homophobe, regardless of context, then wouldn't Carlos Maza be a homophobe too?
        ssully 7y ago
        I don't follow Carlos's work, but looking at his twitter he is very openly gay, so I would find it very difficult to call him a homophobe. Also even outside of this one incident, the nicest way I would ever describe Crowder is a leach - I was shown his work by a family member (who thankfully doesn't watch his bullshit anymore) before this incident. The guy stirs up shit and offers no value; absolutely worthless.
- mlurp 7y ago
  I agree with you in general, but there are much better people to do that with than Crowder. He doesn't seem like he's acting in good faith, and more generally, think about stuff very much. There are plenty of intelligent conservatives/whatever that don't do the stuff he does that's just intended to be offensive/get attention.
ur-whale 7y ago
Where does Crowder come in at all in this conversation?
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- claudeganon 7y ago
  JRE #917, which the parent said to listen to, is an interview with Crowder.
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jack_pp 7y ago

He did apologize for that. His excuse was that he had a lot to drink and smoke. Also I think him being on good terms with the guests made him more comfortable with being an asshole

saalweachter 7y ago
That's not really an excuse for an adult person.