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Rarely I take bike lanes, they are less fast and irregular The road should be used by bikes in my opinion (lower infrastructure/maintenance cost, and the separ

Rarely I take bike lanes, they are less fast and irregular The road should be used by bikes in my opinion (lower infrastructure/maintenance cost, and the separation between road and bike lanes is actually how I broke my right clavicle), and bikes should have priority against individual cars (not urgency and shared transports of course)

TulliusCicero 7y ago
This will never work except for the tiny percentage of people who are extremely confident riding with cars. You're never going to get grandmas and grandpas and 8-year-olds comfortably riding in car traffic on regular roads. I don't understand why people keep suggesting this when bikes generally already can use the road, and this is clearly a failure as far as getting more people biking. Meanwhile, basically everywhere that implements protected bike lanes and off-street bike paths aplenty gets tons of people biking. But we shouldn't do the thing that's proven successful, because...?
- chrismatheson 7y ago
  A "simple" change could affect the way cars and bikes interact on the roads. It's always the cars fault. If the law were to change to favour the smallest, lest protected vehicle at all times then those driving cars would take much greater care when driving around them.
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    That would be a good, but insufficient change. People will drive fast on the wide, straight roads common in the states, for example, the road geography itself encourages it. Enforcement changes alone are not enough. Parents are never gonna feel safe letting their kids bike just because hey, if they get hit by a car it'll be the driver's fault!
Tepix 7y ago
That depends entirely on the bike lanes. In the Netherlands you don't see any bicycles on the road when there is a nice, wide bike lane present instead. In Germany you see them quite often because the bike lanes there are often too narrow and their surface is in bad shape.

TulliusCicero 7y ago

This will never work except for the tiny percentage of people who are extremely confident riding with cars. You're never going to get grandmas and grandpas and 8-year-olds comfortably riding in car traffic on regular roads. I don't understand why people keep suggesting this when bikes generally already can use the road, and this is clearly a failure as far as getting more people biking. Meanwhile, basically everywhere that implements protected bike lanes and off-street bike paths aplenty gets tons of people biking. But we shouldn't do the thing that's proven successful, because...?

chrismatheson 7y ago
A "simple" change could affect the way cars and bikes interact on the roads. It's always the cars fault. If the law were to change to favour the smallest, lest protected vehicle at all times then those driving cars would take much greater care when driving around them.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  That would be a good, but insufficient change. People will drive fast on the wide, straight roads common in the states, for example, the road geography itself encourages it. Enforcement changes alone are not enough. Parents are never gonna feel safe letting their kids bike just because hey, if they get hit by a car it'll be the driver's fault!

Tepix 7y ago

That depends entirely on the bike lanes. In the Netherlands you don't see any bicycles on the road when there is a nice, wide bike lane present instead. In Germany you see them quite often because the bike lanes there are often too narrow and their surface is in bad shape.