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Apple meanwhile created the entire OS and all of the developer APIs that your apps rely on, including things like Metal that games rely on. And Apple gives this

Apple meanwhile created the entire OS and all of the developer APIs that your apps rely on, including things like Metal that games rely on. And Apple gives this all away for free.

jdnenej 7y ago
That should be included in device cost. It is unacceptable that they prevent users who paid for the device from installing programs outside of apples walled garden
- mratsim 7y ago
  Console developers would like to have a word with you.
- braythwayt 7y ago
  If we find Apple extracting rent from apps unacceptable, we look no further than a mirror for the cause. We the public don’t want to pay full freight for hardware. Microsoft used to boast that they made more money from Apple systems than Apple did. Google does that to Android device makers today. If platform makers don’t extract rent, or compete with the developers they court, they will look for other sources of revenue to stay profitable. I would be aghast if Apple hardware came loaded with the kind of Junkware I recall from the years I bought Windows hardware.
  - x0x0 7y ago
    Are you arguing Apple needs to juice their hardware profit margins? Because my understanding is they're very healthy and the envy of the computing and mobile phone industries. The neglect of the mac app store feels of a piece with their utter neglect of the mac platform. They seem to be treating it as a runout.
kevingadd 7y ago
It's free, is it? How do I install it in a vmware image for automated testing, or on this PC with compatible hardware I built? What you're looking for is something like "free for owners of Apple hardware", which is true, but very different. You paid for it.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  I realize it’s not what you’re really talking about, I’ve been doing those things for years, first with Chameleon and now with Clover.
rswail 7y ago
They don't give it away for free, they supply a license to use it on Apple hardware.
ajscanlan 7y ago
> And Apple gives this all away for free. $99 a year actually, plus 30% of all sales.
- lilyball 7y ago
  $99/year is for developer support and publishing. You can use Xcode for free and even install your app on your personal device without paying a cent. What's more, I was actually talking about the OS and frameworks which are given away for free to all Apple users.
depressedpanda 7y ago
Metal? What a monumental waste. If Apple had done the right thing, they would have opted for Vulkan.

Apple meanwhile created the entire OS and all of the developer APIs that your apps rely on, including things like Metal that games rely on. And Apple gives this all away for free.

jdnenej 7y ago

That should be included in device cost. It is unacceptable that they prevent users who paid for the device from installing programs outside of apples walled garden

mratsim 7y ago
Console developers would like to have a word with you.
braythwayt 7y ago
If we find Apple extracting rent from apps unacceptable, we look no further than a mirror for the cause. We the public don’t want to pay full freight for hardware. Microsoft used to boast that they made more money from Apple systems than Apple did. Google does that to Android device makers today. If platform makers don’t extract rent, or compete with the developers they court, they will look for other sources of revenue to stay profitable. I would be aghast if Apple hardware came loaded with the kind of Junkware I recall from the years I bought Windows hardware.
- x0x0 7y ago
  Are you arguing Apple needs to juice their hardware profit margins? Because my understanding is they're very healthy and the envy of the computing and mobile phone industries. The neglect of the mac app store feels of a piece with their utter neglect of the mac platform. They seem to be treating it as a runout.

kevingadd 7y ago

It's free, is it? How do I install it in a vmware image for automated testing, or on this PC with compatible hardware I built? What you're looking for is something like "free for owners of Apple hardware", which is true, but very different. You paid for it.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
I realize it’s not what you’re really talking about, I’ve been doing those things for years, first with Chameleon and now with Clover.

rswail 7y ago

They don't give it away for free, they supply a license to use it on Apple hardware.

ajscanlan 7y ago

> And Apple gives this all away for free. $99 a year actually, plus 30% of all sales.

lilyball 7y ago
$99/year is for developer support and publishing. You can use Xcode for free and even install your app on your personal device without paying a cent. What's more, I was actually talking about the OS and frameworks which are given away for free to all Apple users.

depressedpanda 7y ago

Metal? What a monumental waste. If Apple had done the right thing, they would have opted for Vulkan.