4 ms·

Are they that buggy? They seem very stable to me and I’ve been running them since the betas.

by nextstep 7y ago

mattbillenstein 7y ago
Go refill your koolaid please.
- devinegan 7y ago
  Your bias appears to be showing as well.
  - mattbillenstein 7y ago
    Oh please, the hardware, the software, the frequency of updates -- it's all been crap on the laptops and desktop type hardware for years now...
- dang 7y ago
  Please follow the site guidelines when posting here, regardless of how wrong or annoying another comment is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
crispinb 7y ago
Only Apple has the numbers, but reports I've heard from fellow devs don't encourage me to think I made a mistake moving away from MacOS last year.
Razengan 7y ago
I'm on the second-latest MacBook Pro. I completely erased my disk and installed a fresh copy of Catalina when it was released. It's been patched with the post-release update. Almost all settings are at their recommended defaults, there is no third-party stuff that modifies system behavior, and I mostly only use Apple's own apps and services for stuff like music, books, cloud, mail etc. And boy yes there are bugs. Not outright crashing/rebooting, but bugs there are. I've been using macOS since Lion and I can't recall such a dismal release as Catalina's.
- odkamkfn 7y ago
  So... what are the bugs?
  - Razengan 7y ago
    My earlier comment about files disappearing from Music.app: [0] Just now, I had taken some screenshots in a game. One of the screenshots insisted on sitting outside the Screenshots stack for some reason (Stacks automatically collapse similar items on the desktop.) When you open a book in Books.app, then view a different Desktop Space, the Books window automatically jumps to that space, even without the "Show on All Desktops" option. Activity Monitor column widths randomly grow towards infinity. Display Accessibility options randomly stop taking effect until relogging. Widgets randomly rearrange themselves in the Notification Center. Music/TV/Podcasts/App Store sometimes show no content, just blank views. On the developer side, many bugs and missing documentation for SwiftUI. I don't have the energy to type them all out here again after writing their bug reports. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21318159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21318159
    - Razengan 7y ago
      Some of these bugs like the Books issue have been there for years, on multiple machines/macOS versions. If that doesn't happen to anyone else, I wonder if it's my iCloud-stored settings for Books.app
  - SighDucks 7y ago
    Audio occasionally ceases to work if it has been muted. Or if a bluetooth headset had been previously paired. Reboot resolves the issue.
- sbuk 7y ago
  The public beta, code named Kodiak was awful. As were, 10.0 (Cheetah), 10.1 (Puma), 10.2 (Jaguar) and 10.3 (Panther). 10.4 (Tiger) was initially terrible, but did improve massively. 10.5 (Lion) was comparatively awful and quite jarring with it’s nit insignificant UI overhaul... The point I’m making is that there is an awful lot of looking back with rose tinted glasses going on. It happens every time there is a new release. Thing is, every OS seems to suffer this, not just Apple.

Are they that buggy? They seem very stable to me and I’ve been running them since the betas.

mattbillenstein 7y ago

Go refill your koolaid please.

devinegan 7y ago
Your bias appears to be showing as well.
- mattbillenstein 7y ago
  Oh please, the hardware, the software, the frequency of updates -- it's all been crap on the laptops and desktop type hardware for years now...
dang 7y ago
Please follow the site guidelines when posting here, regardless of how wrong or annoying another comment is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

crispinb 7y ago

Only Apple has the numbers, but reports I've heard from fellow devs don't encourage me to think I made a mistake moving away from MacOS last year.

Razengan 7y ago

I'm on the second-latest MacBook Pro. I completely erased my disk and installed a fresh copy of Catalina when it was released. It's been patched with the post-release update. Almost all settings are at their recommended defaults, there is no third-party stuff that modifies system behavior, and I mostly only use Apple's own apps and services for stuff like music, books, cloud, mail etc. And boy yes there are bugs. Not outright crashing/rebooting, but bugs there are. I've been using macOS since Lion and I can't recall such a dismal release as Catalina's.

odkamkfn 7y ago
So... what are the bugs?
- Razengan 7y ago
  My earlier comment about files disappearing from Music.app: [0] Just now, I had taken some screenshots in a game. One of the screenshots insisted on sitting outside the Screenshots stack for some reason (Stacks automatically collapse similar items on the desktop.) When you open a book in Books.app, then view a different Desktop Space, the Books window automatically jumps to that space, even without the "Show on All Desktops" option. Activity Monitor column widths randomly grow towards infinity. Display Accessibility options randomly stop taking effect until relogging. Widgets randomly rearrange themselves in the Notification Center. Music/TV/Podcasts/App Store sometimes show no content, just blank views. On the developer side, many bugs and missing documentation for SwiftUI. I don't have the energy to type them all out here again after writing their bug reports. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21318159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21318159
  - Razengan 7y ago
    Some of these bugs like the Books issue have been there for years, on multiple machines/macOS versions. If that doesn't happen to anyone else, I wonder if it's my iCloud-stored settings for Books.app
- SighDucks 7y ago
  Audio occasionally ceases to work if it has been muted. Or if a bluetooth headset had been previously paired. Reboot resolves the issue.
sbuk 7y ago
The public beta, code named Kodiak was awful. As were, 10.0 (Cheetah), 10.1 (Puma), 10.2 (Jaguar) and 10.3 (Panther). 10.4 (Tiger) was initially terrible, but did improve massively. 10.5 (Lion) was comparatively awful and quite jarring with it’s nit insignificant UI overhaul... The point I’m making is that there is an awful lot of looking back with rose tinted glasses going on. It happens every time there is a new release. Thing is, every OS seems to suffer this, not just Apple.