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Speaking of which, is anyone using deno (https://deno.land/ https://deno.land/) for anything real yet?

economyballoon 7y ago
When I think secure I think import { serve } from "https://deno.land/std@v0.19.0/http/server.ts"; It would be better to integrate something into Node.js instead of inflating a new economy balloon!
- RunawayGalaxy 7y ago
  What do you think is happening when you `npm install` or `yarn add` a package?
  - judge2020 7y ago
    `npm`/`yarn` have hash checks when using the lockfile (side note: you should be using `npm ci` in your deployments so it doesn't install newer versions). Maybe there could be a lockfile system for webpack that would verify a file like the one they suggest doesn't change between installs and systems.
    - realPubkey 7y ago
      Doesnt deno also have a lockfile?
      - rhacker 7y ago
        That's why I don't want to use it personally, it's all in the imports. Making things a pita when you want to just upgrade something.
sunseb 7y ago
Yeah, we need a new JS ecosystem, let's rebuild all our stuff using deno instead node, because it was a quiet year and we have all recovered from the JS fatigue.
JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
Node has to be painful enough for people to make the switch. I don't think we've hit that point yet.
- MuffinFlavored 7y ago
  I can't think of any node.js painpoints. Can you list some examples? I've been coding in it at a high level for the past 5 years.
  - ModernCannabist 7y ago
    Same! What pain points?
    - MuffinFlavored 7y ago
      I got downvoted to hell and back for saying node.js is easier to develop in/be efficient in/be productive in than Haskell. Can you believe that?
apatheticonion 7y ago
Nothing real, but I am watching closely. I write everything in TypeScript anyway and it is annoying figuring out what adapters to use to get testing libraries working and VSCode debugging, and debugging tests, etc. If they implement Go-style concurrency that would kick this project up to the next level.
- MuffinFlavored 7y ago
  > If they implement Go-style concurrency that would kick this project up to the next level. I don't think that would work given the fact that it still runs V8's event loop.

When I think secure I think import { serve } from "https://deno.land/std@v0.19.0/http/server.ts"; It would be better to integrate something into Node.js instead of inflating a new economy balloon!

RunawayGalaxy 7y ago
What do you think is happening when you `npm install` or `yarn add` a package?
- judge2020 7y ago
  `npm`/`yarn` have hash checks when using the lockfile (side note: you should be using `npm ci` in your deployments so it doesn't install newer versions). Maybe there could be a lockfile system for webpack that would verify a file like the one they suggest doesn't change between installs and systems.
  - realPubkey 7y ago
    Doesnt deno also have a lockfile?
    - rhacker 7y ago
      That's why I don't want to use it personally, it's all in the imports. Making things a pita when you want to just upgrade something.

sunseb 7y ago

Yeah, we need a new JS ecosystem, let's rebuild all our stuff using deno instead node, because it was a quiet year and we have all recovered from the JS fatigue.

JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago

Node has to be painful enough for people to make the switch. I don't think we've hit that point yet.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago
I can't think of any node.js painpoints. Can you list some examples? I've been coding in it at a high level for the past 5 years.
- ModernCannabist 7y ago
  Same! What pain points?
  - MuffinFlavored 7y ago
    I got downvoted to hell and back for saying node.js is easier to develop in/be efficient in/be productive in than Haskell. Can you believe that?

apatheticonion 7y ago

Nothing real, but I am watching closely. I write everything in TypeScript anyway and it is annoying figuring out what adapters to use to get testing libraries working and VSCode debugging, and debugging tests, etc. If they implement Go-style concurrency that would kick this project up to the next level.

MuffinFlavored 7y ago
> If they implement Go-style concurrency that would kick this project up to the next level. I don't think that would work given the fact that it still runs V8's event loop.