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There is some confusion there. His $1 salary is exactly that. A token amount paid by Apple for his work. It cannot be $0, otherwise he wouldn't be considered

by cd34 16y ago

There is some confusion there. His $1 salary is exactly that. A token amount paid by Apple for his work. It cannot be $0, otherwise he wouldn't be considered an employee and wouldn't be entitled to bonuses, stock options, insurance, etc. The fact that he is taking a $1 and tying all of his income to options, bonuses, perks means that he firmly believes his impact to the company will be rewarded - and it has, rightfully so. By taking a $1 salary, you are saying to the shareholders (world) that you believe so firmly in the company, that, you'll earn your income the same way a shareholder would - through the growth in stock price, etc. He does have to pay taxes on personal use of the corporate jets, and other benefits. I can't really imagine his situation being so dire that any social security income he could get would have any material impact on his life. We also don't know what the nature of his contributions were years ago. Paying too little and taking out too much profit is actually tied to a separate issue. If one runs an S-Corp and is in the typical feast and famine cycle, i.e lots of work, bill lots of money, work slows down, time for lots of sales because there is no work, here comes work again, then, the IRS could say that you took $x+y during the time when you were cash-flush, and $x when you were in your income slump, making $y a dividend and taxed as such. In many cases, dividend income is taxed at a higher rate than personal income until you hit a certain income (I believe $373k/year or so and in 2013, $171k or so). If you earn less than those amounts, dividends are taxed more heavily than normal income. A C-corp is its own financial entity. It pays its own taxes, has a separate tax structure. If you wanted to pay yourself a $1 salary, you could. Then, any money you take out of the company could be taxed as a dividend, you would have to assume 100% control of your retirement, probably wouldn't be eligible for Medicare after you retire, but, there isn't anything illegal there.

tptacek 16y ago
I upvoted you; you clearly know more about taxes than me. However, let me chime in again here and say that the feast-or-famine thing seems overblown. The IRS isn't dinging you for miscategorizing income; it's dinging you for underpaying taxes. You can make your income as irregular as you'd like, as long as you end up paying what you owe.
- cd34 16y ago
  If your income fluctuates based on profit and the IRS deems that a dividend, then, you are charged at the dividend rate rather than the personal tax rate. That dividend tax rate is higher than your income rate until you hit $373k annual salary in 2011/2012, and yes, you would get hit for underpaying taxes. http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=101038,00.html http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=101038,00.... Publication 535, mentioned further down under reasonable compensation talks further about how income is qualified. Basically, if you pay yourself $8k/month, and in July have a really great month and pay yourself $40k, the IRS could determine that the $32k you gave yourself is a distribution of profit, and therefore a dividend. Even paying your taxes as if that was taken as a wage could end up being scrutinized by the IRS. If the IRS determines that your wage fluctuates as much as your profit does, and you're audited, you could have an issue. Lets say you run a consulting company, pay yourself $5k/month, write an IPhone app, sell $200k, hand yourself $200k right there, it is possible that the IRS could take that view. The difference in taxes on $200k of income versus a dividend is 2% or $4000. If that is greater than 10% of the amount you owe at the end of the year, you could be subject to underpayment penalties of another few hundred. In the fictional $32k, the underpayment of tax would be $3200. I'm not an accountant, but, if you run into any of these situations, you need to know when to talk with an accountant. Even thinking that you paid the proper tax is something best left to someone that does that for a living. And if you're going to find an accountant, do it in October.. give them your numbers for the current year and what you're projecting for the rest of the year and give them time. You still have room to maneuver a bit more than talking to him on March 14th when the forms are due March 15th. Tax planning is almost as important as tax filing. Note: yes, I was audited due to the above situation - prior to having an accountant. Ironically, it was a contract with the Navy that did it - I thought, finally, I made this money, I am going to pay myself for all of the hard work I put into this and reward myself for the last two years of subsistance living. After all was said and done, the penalties and accountant fees were grossly disproportionate to the $2100 in underpaid taxes.
  - detst 16y ago
    > That dividend tax rate is higher than your income rate until you hit $373k annual salary in 2011/2012 It was my understanding, confirmed by your link, that dividends are either taxed as ordinary income or at a maximum of 15% in case of qualified dividends. You seem like you know what you're talking about so am I missing something?

by cd34 16y ago

tptacek 16y ago

I upvoted you; you clearly know more about taxes than me. However, let me chime in again here and say that the feast-or-famine thing seems overblown. The IRS isn't dinging you for miscategorizing income; it's dinging you for underpaying taxes. You can make your income as irregular as you'd like, as long as you end up paying what you owe.

cd34 16y ago
If your income fluctuates based on profit and the IRS deems that a dividend, then, you are charged at the dividend rate rather than the personal tax rate. That dividend tax rate is higher than your income rate until you hit $373k annual salary in 2011/2012, and yes, you would get hit for underpaying taxes. http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=101038,00.html http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=101038,00.... Publication 535, mentioned further down under reasonable compensation talks further about how income is qualified. Basically, if you pay yourself $8k/month, and in July have a really great month and pay yourself $40k, the IRS could determine that the $32k you gave yourself is a distribution of profit, and therefore a dividend. Even paying your taxes as if that was taken as a wage could end up being scrutinized by the IRS. If the IRS determines that your wage fluctuates as much as your profit does, and you're audited, you could have an issue. Lets say you run a consulting company, pay yourself $5k/month, write an IPhone app, sell $200k, hand yourself $200k right there, it is possible that the IRS could take that view. The difference in taxes on $200k of income versus a dividend is 2% or $4000. If that is greater than 10% of the amount you owe at the end of the year, you could be subject to underpayment penalties of another few hundred. In the fictional $32k, the underpayment of tax would be $3200. I'm not an accountant, but, if you run into any of these situations, you need to know when to talk with an accountant. Even thinking that you paid the proper tax is something best left to someone that does that for a living. And if you're going to find an accountant, do it in October.. give them your numbers for the current year and what you're projecting for the rest of the year and give them time. You still have room to maneuver a bit more than talking to him on March 14th when the forms are due March 15th. Tax planning is almost as important as tax filing. Note: yes, I was audited due to the above situation - prior to having an accountant. Ironically, it was a contract with the Navy that did it - I thought, finally, I made this money, I am going to pay myself for all of the hard work I put into this and reward myself for the last two years of subsistance living. After all was said and done, the penalties and accountant fees were grossly disproportionate to the $2100 in underpaid taxes.
- detst 16y ago
  > That dividend tax rate is higher than your income rate until you hit $373k annual salary in 2011/2012 It was my understanding, confirmed by your link, that dividends are either taxed as ordinary income or at a maximum of 15% in case of qualified dividends. You seem like you know what you're talking about so am I missing something?