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The utter contempt for Alberta (well, basically everything east of Ontario) was received loud and clear by western Canada yesterday. Instant Run-Off voting is

The utter contempt for Alberta (well, basically everything east of Ontario) was received loud and clear by western Canada yesterday. Instant Run-Off voting is an absolutely necessary next step, but wouldn't have helped in this election; the non-Liberal vote already achieved about 80% (80%!) of the vote. A new non-leftist party (People's Party of Canada) got essentially shut out due to strategic voting; it would have been interesting to see the actual interest in a more "libertarian" party, but we'll never know -- that data is lost when citizens are forced to either vote strategicially or throw away their vote to an undesirable opponent. #WEXIT is exploding; Alberta secession has a serious chance of being considered and voted on. Not a good time...

icegreentea2 7y ago
I can't comment on your statements regarding the attitude and feelings of western Canada (I am one of those Ontario peeps), but the numbers I saw put the non-Liberal vote at 67% (the liberals got 33% of the vote). Certainly we can do with a better voting system.
- pjkundert 7y ago
  According to the current stats (all polls reporting) from https://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e https://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e: the vote split between the top 2 ranked candidates (conservative vs. most popular leftist) was only 77.53%; sorry, my mistake. That includes the one riding that was won by the NDP. Of course, popular vote percentages don't matter in elections; this illustrates, however, the level of generalizied disappointment with the powers-that-be making decisions against the best interests of the Alberta. Very interesting this morning, is the extreme levels of contempt and dismissiveness being heaped upon any Albertan who dares to support the idea of separation; see #WEXIT. It's both embarrassing and potentially explosive. Fortunately, Albertans have a long history of nodding quietly at derision and then going and doing something unexpected. We'll see what happens.
  - vkou 7y ago
    Alberta is ~12% of Canada's population, and has so far had an incredibly disproportionate impact on pulling national politics in its direction. No national economic decision seems to be made, without figuring out what kind of compensation Alberta needs to receive, to bring it onboard. BC, on the other hand, is the truly federally-ignored province. It's often not clear if it is considered to have any purpose, other then being a stopping point on the way to China. The secession of BC would probably be in its provincial interests. The secession of Alberta into a land-locked petro-state would be an unmitigated disaster.
    - pjkundert 7y ago
      100,000 out of work while Ottawa porks eastern elite businesses, slapped in the face regarding shipping Alberta oil east, while the east actually imports Saudi blood-crude... Albertans think everyone's super-classy, though! So, I'm sure it'll be no problem. Wait, while we're talking, let us write Ottawa that transfer cheque... Nobody thinks its a great idea; westerners have traditionally been staunchly patriotic. But at some point, you leave the party where everyone hates you and laughs at you...
  - icegreentea2 7y ago
    Hey, just wanted to say that I thought you were talking about the national numbers. Looking at the Alberta numbers (which is what you seemed to have meant) your original statement was basically true.

icegreentea2 7y ago

I can't comment on your statements regarding the attitude and feelings of western Canada (I am one of those Ontario peeps), but the numbers I saw put the non-Liberal vote at 67% (the liberals got 33% of the vote). Certainly we can do with a better voting system.

pjkundert 7y ago
According to the current stats (all polls reporting) from https://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e https://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e: the vote split between the top 2 ranked candidates (conservative vs. most popular leftist) was only 77.53%; sorry, my mistake. That includes the one riding that was won by the NDP. Of course, popular vote percentages don't matter in elections; this illustrates, however, the level of generalizied disappointment with the powers-that-be making decisions against the best interests of the Alberta. Very interesting this morning, is the extreme levels of contempt and dismissiveness being heaped upon any Albertan who dares to support the idea of separation; see #WEXIT. It's both embarrassing and potentially explosive. Fortunately, Albertans have a long history of nodding quietly at derision and then going and doing something unexpected. We'll see what happens.
- vkou 7y ago
  Alberta is ~12% of Canada's population, and has so far had an incredibly disproportionate impact on pulling national politics in its direction. No national economic decision seems to be made, without figuring out what kind of compensation Alberta needs to receive, to bring it onboard. BC, on the other hand, is the truly federally-ignored province. It's often not clear if it is considered to have any purpose, other then being a stopping point on the way to China. The secession of BC would probably be in its provincial interests. The secession of Alberta into a land-locked petro-state would be an unmitigated disaster.
  - pjkundert 7y ago
    100,000 out of work while Ottawa porks eastern elite businesses, slapped in the face regarding shipping Alberta oil east, while the east actually imports Saudi blood-crude... Albertans think everyone's super-classy, though! So, I'm sure it'll be no problem. Wait, while we're talking, let us write Ottawa that transfer cheque... Nobody thinks its a great idea; westerners have traditionally been staunchly patriotic. But at some point, you leave the party where everyone hates you and laughs at you...
- icegreentea2 7y ago
  Hey, just wanted to say that I thought you were talking about the national numbers. Looking at the Alberta numbers (which is what you seemed to have meant) your original statement was basically true.