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Condorcet isn't particularly hard to explain. Easier to explain than IRV anyway. Call it "Instant Round Robin" - if one candidate would beat every other candida

Condorcet isn't particularly hard to explain. Easier to explain than IRV anyway. Call it "Instant Round Robin" - if one candidate would beat every other candidate head-to-head, then that candidate should win. The annoying part about Condorcet enthusiasts is that they insist on lumping the uncommon "tie-breaking" methods (i.e. when there is the rare loop) in with the above general definition. That's when people start talking about Schulz, Ranked-Pairs, etc etc. I personally think a loop is valuable and shouldn't be tie-breaked - it's an indication that the voters are not ready to decide and that there should be another round of debate among the finalists before revoting. In my opinion, the main flaw with Condorcet is that it is possible to have a Condorcet Winner that does not have the "approval" of a majority of voters.

smeyer 7y ago
>another round of debate among the finalists before revoting What do you do if revoting doesn't break the deadlock? Also, just in general, I think a lot of people don't want a system that involves potential revoting.
- mjevans 7y ago
  You get the current BRexit situation, and we'll hopefully soon see some kind of historical test case the refer to...
flukus 7y ago
> Call it "Instant Round Robin" - if one candidate would beat every other candidate head-to-head, then that candidate should win. And 90% of peoples eyes just glazed over, all to fix some almost entirely theoretical flaws with IRV, that's why condorcet isn't better in the real world.
- tunesmith 7y ago
  90% of which people, the people that are enamored by "count up all first place votes, then find the person in last place, then go look at everyone's ballots and remove that person from everyone's ballots, and then count up all first place votes again, and then repeat that process until you're left with one person and then that candidate should win"?
  - flukus 7y ago
    If you're number 1 choice is knocked out you're vote goes to you're number 2 choice, if they're knocked out it goes to number 3... It's not about understanding the intricacies of how the count works but understanding what their individual vote will be doing. When it comes to what you're individual vote is doing Condorcet is much more of a black box.

smeyer 7y ago

>another round of debate among the finalists before revoting What do you do if revoting doesn't break the deadlock? Also, just in general, I think a lot of people don't want a system that involves potential revoting.

mjevans 7y ago
You get the current BRexit situation, and we'll hopefully soon see some kind of historical test case the refer to...

flukus 7y ago

> Call it "Instant Round Robin" - if one candidate would beat every other candidate head-to-head, then that candidate should win. And 90% of peoples eyes just glazed over, all to fix some almost entirely theoretical flaws with IRV, that's why condorcet isn't better in the real world.

tunesmith 7y ago
90% of which people, the people that are enamored by "count up all first place votes, then find the person in last place, then go look at everyone's ballots and remove that person from everyone's ballots, and then count up all first place votes again, and then repeat that process until you're left with one person and then that candidate should win"?
- flukus 7y ago
  If you're number 1 choice is knocked out you're vote goes to you're number 2 choice, if they're knocked out it goes to number 3... It's not about understanding the intricacies of how the count works but understanding what their individual vote will be doing. When it comes to what you're individual vote is doing Condorcet is much more of a black box.