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As long as it's limited to school devices and school email/chat, I don't see the problem. Maybe it's just me, but my dad instilled in me early on that anything

As long as it's limited to school devices and school email/chat, I don't see the problem. Maybe it's just me, but my dad instilled in me early on that anything I do on the internet is there permanently for anyone who cares enough to see. The problem arises from immediate action on the part of the administrators, stemming from zero-tolerance policies that are usually present. Exercising restraint with respect to these tools would lead to better outcomes, in my opinion.

bilbo0s 7y ago
>The problem arises from immediate action on the part of the administrators, stemming from zero-tolerance policies [...] Exercising restraint with respect to these tools would lead to better outcomes, in my opinion. In fairness, there are a lot of laws out there that compel teachers, administrators, and school resource officers to take certain disciplinary actions without regard to their personal feelings on the matter. Zero Tolerance is like the whole Mandatory Minimum thing. A judge may know that it is asinine to sentence this pot dealing kid to 10 years in prison, but the law says that's the minimum, so what can the judge really do? If a school resource officer sees something in the computer logs, or on security video, or wherever, I mean, they are police officers. They may have certain legal obligations that come with having reviewed that evidence. They accessed it, the system knows it was accessed. If something new happens and some other officer ends up reviewing all this information, the fact that the resource officer accessed it and had knowledge of previous offenses will cause trouble for that resource officer. If you want them to show restraint, then you need to change the laws. Teachers, resource officers, etc, don't have the power to do that unilaterally. We would have to give power to ignore things to teachers, administrators, resource officers, coaches, etc.
- jagged-chisel 7y ago
  > ... so what can the judge really do? Overrule the law, declare it unjust, be the balance to the legislative branch. Yeah, that comes with the possibility of appeals and having another judge change the ruling. But that's how the system should work. You're absolutely right about school employees, though - they're required to act lest their lack of action affect their careers. What needs to change is that the accused student needs the same rights an adult would have: the right to have your day in "court" with the possibility that the decision is 'not guilty.'

bilbo0s 7y ago

>The problem arises from immediate action on the part of the administrators, stemming from zero-tolerance policies [...] Exercising restraint with respect to these tools would lead to better outcomes, in my opinion. In fairness, there are a lot of laws out there that compel teachers, administrators, and school resource officers to take certain disciplinary actions without regard to their personal feelings on the matter. Zero Tolerance is like the whole Mandatory Minimum thing. A judge may know that it is asinine to sentence this pot dealing kid to 10 years in prison, but the law says that's the minimum, so what can the judge really do? If a school resource officer sees something in the computer logs, or on security video, or wherever, I mean, they are police officers. They may have certain legal obligations that come with having reviewed that evidence. They accessed it, the system knows it was accessed. If something new happens and some other officer ends up reviewing all this information, the fact that the resource officer accessed it and had knowledge of previous offenses will cause trouble for that resource officer. If you want them to show restraint, then you need to change the laws. Teachers, resource officers, etc, don't have the power to do that unilaterally. We would have to give power to ignore things to teachers, administrators, resource officers, coaches, etc.

jagged-chisel 7y ago
> ... so what can the judge really do? Overrule the law, declare it unjust, be the balance to the legislative branch. Yeah, that comes with the possibility of appeals and having another judge change the ruling. But that's how the system should work. You're absolutely right about school employees, though - they're required to act lest their lack of action affect their careers. What needs to change is that the accused student needs the same rights an adult would have: the right to have your day in "court" with the possibility that the decision is 'not guilty.'