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You are suggesting here that when purchasing such artifacts for a major museum collection, that the Hobby Lobby/Bible Museum owners have zero responsibility to

You are suggesting here that when purchasing such artifacts for a major museum collection, that the Hobby Lobby/Bible Museum owners have zero responsibility to verify the provenance of the artifacts and the legality of their sale. All they have to do is just not ask any probing questions, and they should be able to claim that "we didn't know they were stolen!" Sorry, but that's outrageous.

ReggieJJJ 7y ago
It is not rational or logical that the burden of "provenance" is placed on the purchaser if they are willing to accept the risk that they are being defrauded. It is an utterly illogical and unhealthy mentality to have that one is responsible for the actions of others. Are you responsible for having purchased something that may be ripped off IP, e.g., someone else's pictures or art? I suspect you would make a quick turn about face if you were hauled off to prison/court for having purchased some artwork from someone without having "verified the provenance of the artifacts and the legality of the sale". I get it, the children of the corn are all up in arms and want to smite everyone with their self-righteous stick of indignation, but reality is that YOU are responsible for YOUR actions, not someone else; nor are you responsible for the actions of others. Again, you totally focused on blaming one of the parties/victims of this fraud, while totally avoiding the reality that the only perpetrator here is the Oxford Professor. But based on you illogic, Oxford is even far more implicated and responsible for the actions of their Professor than Hobby Lobby is for buying the artifacts that the Professor could have easily said he acquired by some other means. So let's shut down Oxford for they are guilty of having committed a devious by proxy through another. right? That's your logic, others are responsible for the actions of yet another. What a sick logic and world you imagine. You really have no idea what authoritarian communist hell you are conjuring with that utterly unhealthy false logic, do you? But you will find out soon enough when the jack boots you put in power come knocking on your door because they ran out of everyone else to blame for the crimes of others.
- acomjean 7y ago
  Possession of stolen goods is in fact a crime. It’s usually minor not prosecuted, but it does involve returning the stolen property. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods There is also the irony of the professor stealing biblical fragments. (Thou shal not...)
- keoeoOeo8 7y ago
  You do realize the legal perspective on this idea is hundreds of years old and influenced by Biblical views of right & wrong, yes? Someone all warmed up by contemporary political headlines raging about how reality works in a vacuum ignoring society has never really felt beholden to such views. Pretty good argument for not pretending it ever can be, despite your obvious emotional addiction to thinking it must.
- dang 7y ago
  Since after repeatedly violating the site guidelines and ignoring our explanations and requests to stop, you keep bringing personal attacks and ideological flamewar into the threads, we've banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break the HN guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - ReggieJJJ 7y ago
    I get it, you're an unprincipled hack that cannot stand not hearing your favorite things to hear. You really should try to not be such a vile and horrible person. People around you suffer from what wretched of a person you are. Stop harming people and stop abusing the power you cannot constrain yourself from abusing. You are literally committing human rights abuses by suppressing free speech. Did you ever think you would achieve that goal of yours, becoming a member of the list of human rights violators?

ReggieJJJ 7y ago

It is not rational or logical that the burden of "provenance" is placed on the purchaser if they are willing to accept the risk that they are being defrauded. It is an utterly illogical and unhealthy mentality to have that one is responsible for the actions of others. Are you responsible for having purchased something that may be ripped off IP, e.g., someone else's pictures or art? I suspect you would make a quick turn about face if you were hauled off to prison/court for having purchased some artwork from someone without having "verified the provenance of the artifacts and the legality of the sale". I get it, the children of the corn are all up in arms and want to smite everyone with their self-righteous stick of indignation, but reality is that YOU are responsible for YOUR actions, not someone else; nor are you responsible for the actions of others. Again, you totally focused on blaming one of the parties/victims of this fraud, while totally avoiding the reality that the only perpetrator here is the Oxford Professor. But based on you illogic, Oxford is even far more implicated and responsible for the actions of their Professor than Hobby Lobby is for buying the artifacts that the Professor could have easily said he acquired by some other means. So let's shut down Oxford for they are guilty of having committed a devious by proxy through another. right? That's your logic, others are responsible for the actions of yet another. What a sick logic and world you imagine. You really have no idea what authoritarian communist hell you are conjuring with that utterly unhealthy false logic, do you? But you will find out soon enough when the jack boots you put in power come knocking on your door because they ran out of everyone else to blame for the crimes of others.

acomjean 7y ago
Possession of stolen goods is in fact a crime. It’s usually minor not prosecuted, but it does involve returning the stolen property. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possession_of_stolen_goods There is also the irony of the professor stealing biblical fragments. (Thou shal not...)
keoeoOeo8 7y ago
You do realize the legal perspective on this idea is hundreds of years old and influenced by Biblical views of right & wrong, yes? Someone all warmed up by contemporary political headlines raging about how reality works in a vacuum ignoring society has never really felt beholden to such views. Pretty good argument for not pretending it ever can be, despite your obvious emotional addiction to thinking it must.
dang 7y ago
Since after repeatedly violating the site guidelines and ignoring our explanations and requests to stop, you keep bringing personal attacks and ideological flamewar into the threads, we've banned this account. Please don't create accounts to break the HN guidelines with. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ReggieJJJ 7y ago
  I get it, you're an unprincipled hack that cannot stand not hearing your favorite things to hear. You really should try to not be such a vile and horrible person. People around you suffer from what wretched of a person you are. Stop harming people and stop abusing the power you cannot constrain yourself from abusing. You are literally committing human rights abuses by suppressing free speech. Did you ever think you would achieve that goal of yours, becoming a member of the list of human rights violators?